Please find another time for Protest

[the_bob_delusion]

If you're fighting to protect people's lives, why not start by not risking the innocent lives of everyone elses. Find another time. I will have more respect for you. I was just saying the other day: Thank God that Australians aren't as crazy as Americans and we have at least some common sense not to choose this time to protest. 

[not_for_sale2025]

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@lionrose.7 wrote:

Is any time  good time to protest when one off your own is murdered and treated like second or third class citizens.

How about the ones that protest with there big guns because they cant get a hair cut and the cops stand there and do Nothing, if you were Black and turned up like that screaming in cops faces you would be battered to hell or dead

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"one of your own" - I'm not sure what you mean by that.

I can think of a lot of noble reasons to protest, such as the number of black people dying in third world countries of coronavirus, famine and thirst. Or the ongoing sexual mutilation of females in Africa and the Middle East. Or the world poverty which is causing unbelievable suffering.

But of course nobody is talking about protests to try and incite action to do something about these horrors. We don't recognise them as one of our own and it's not on the front page or the 6 o'clock news! I don't know when is a good time to protest. But I'm looking out for the health and safety of my own family and others I care about. What I do know is now is not the right time to hold protests. There are other safe actions that can be taken if people feel the need to do something now.

[springyzone]

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@4channel wrote:

What needs to looked at is with the protest marches, the one against 5G, what the main benefit of the march would be compared to the catching of Corona. In the opinion of the protesters who were exercising their right to bring to attention the deadly dangers of 5G it was worth it and many more lives would be saved if 5G wasn't put in  their areas. I support their right to do such a thing and I also understand their concerns.

Corona virus is a cause for concern, and there's no doubt in  the worst cases, it can kill.

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There is always more than one way to do a thing.

The mistake I think here is in thinking that the only way to draw attention to their cause was by a march.

That's wrong, there are dozens of other ways. Encouraging a march during a lock down during a pandemic is foolhardy and I think organisers of any marches should be hit with massive fines.

The problem isn't just that a few people might be killed by covid, although that is definitely now happening. The problem is also to the economy for years to come and the effect on people's jobs through having to go into a second lockdown.

Marches change perceptions of safety. You only have to look at USA though to see they are going through a surge in cases and surprise, surprise, we saw a surge a couple of weeks after all the BLM marches.

And we're seeing a surge in Vic and it really took off a couple of weeks after our BLM marches here & other social distancing fails.

No matter what the cause, there are other ways to publicise it, it doesn't have to be through a march, that's just organisers with lazy thinking, taking the easy path.

[chameleon54]

While I,m sure most of the people who marched in the BLM marches genuinely have concerns for the cause...............and all the other latest buzz word " causes '' thrown up by social media and the press, I suspect there is a lot more to it than simple, genuine concern.

For many, a bigger part of protest is what the individuals get out of it for themselves. There is a sense of belonging and community felt by those who protest and march. The feeling that you are part of a group with other people who share your beliefs and ideals. Marches and chanting release endorphins and give sometimes isolated people a feeling of human contact. 

In other words for many of those marching ( and supporting those who march ) it is more about what is in it for themselves, rather than simply changing the world. This is clearly illustrated by the way these people just follow the latest trend, moving on and forgetting all about it in a month or two as they engage with the next latest trend.

Spoiler

Hannah who ?

If they where genuinely interested in changing the world, there are much more effective ways to go about it than marching and chanting in a group. But most of the more effective ways involve getting off the couch for extended periods of time, getting your hands dirty and actually doing something constructive, rather than just talking / protesting about it. ie. It requires a bit of real effort and involves giving to others rather than whats in it for the individual. Usually it is a pretty lonely job too without all of your friends gathering around chanting and flag waving with you.

[the_great_she_elephant]

And still they gazed, and still the wonder grew,

That one small head could carry all he knew.

(Oliver Goldsmith - The Village Schoolmaster)

[domino-710]

I was waiting for the loaves & fishes. 

[the_great_she_elephant]

[chameleon54]

I suspect the post is a bit too close to the truth for some. Those feeling uncomfortable find it much easier to mock than be honest with themselves and others ! 

Spoiler

Unfortunately I wouldnt expect much else from the do nothing, Rah Rah crowd. !

[bright.ton42]

If we are such a do nothing rah rah crowd I wonder why you condescend to post here.  

[chameleon54]

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@bright.ton42 wrote:

If we are such a do nothing rah rah crowd I wonder why you condescend to post here.  

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Why do I post here ?

A number of reasons.

* I earn around half of my income from selling on ebay so I,m on the site very regularly and for extended periods of time. Checking the forums breaks the monotony of full days packing and posting.

* There is a diverse range of opinions and  people who post here. Some whom I often agree with, others not so much. But what I do appreciate is that the forums are an interesting window into the minds of a broad spectrum of society, some of whom I may not regularly get to converse with in my regular travels. ( A broad spectrum of city people for example, me being a country lad and all that ) While I might not often agree with the views of some posters it is interesting to see what makes them tick and offers an opportunity to understand why they hold the views they do. The result of this is that while you may not believe it, I am sometimes swayed by the arguments and change my views on certain things. I believe a willingness to challenge and change ones views is actually very healthy.

* OK I will admit it..... I often enjoy the cut and thrust of genuine debate and pointing out the absurdity of some of the group opinion which simply ignores reality. ie. Often the Emperor has no clothes, but many here ( particularly in the little PC crowd ) simply cant see his little friend swaying in the breeze. I find it absurd and rather amusing that some minds can be so closed. I rarely see such closed minds and unwavering opinion in the people I associate with in real life. I just find this aspect of the forums very interesting.

* It is a good place to catch up on interesting things that are going on. My thanks and appreciation to the regular few who take the time to post links to interesting news stories.

* When things are really serious ( ie bush fires , COVID etc. ) I appreciate that if you look hard enough, you see the good in everyone come to the fore. There are times when people can be supportive and encouraging when the chips are really down.

* It is rare that I take any offence to some of the silly stuff thrown my way. I recognise that if you poke the hive, the bees will sting................. But the honey is worth it......

I suspect it is pretty much the same reasons many others stay involved in the forums.

[domino-710]

Mostly - it is - pontificating.

You seem to miss - most here are pretty well informed - pretty well in charge of their lives & pretty much have an IQ above room temperature (given Winter) - with the heater on - ie 2 to 3 digits at least.

Overlong posts stating the obvious.................................LOL.