Russia - such a disgrace !

I don't know about anyone else. but I nor our business, is any longer buying anything remotely Russian.

 

This is not so much choosing to take a side, but merely not wanting to be seen as condoning recent events.

 

'Hands off Ukraine!' Russian protesters, celebrities risk arrest to denounce Putin's war (yahoo.com)

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In 19 days, the Russian army has lost more in Ukraine than in two bloody and years-long wars in Chechnya.

 

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I am appalled and concerned by the underlying threat of either chemical or nuclear attacks by Putin's military.

 

We want to avoid global conflict; we also want to prevent a country from being bombarbed as Ukraine is being bombarbed. Has there ever been a time when wisdom was more needed? Wisdom and courage and the right answer... or at any rate the best answer in the circumstances...?

 

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I'm not trying to justify what Russia / Putin has done. No invasion of a sovereign country is right.  Just as the US was wrong to invade Iraq etc., so is Russia here! However, we are only seeing what our media wants us to see. Sure, a good deal of what they show is is happening. But, as time tells us, some of the picture we were shown and became emotionally reactive to can be misleading. And some of it turns out to be absolutely false!

 

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Inside a Neo Nazi Music Festival | Decade of Hate

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Music festivals, like most cultural events, were badly affected by the coronavirus pandemic, impacting both the smallest of DIY festivals to behemoths like Glastonbury. And this was no different for the neo-Nazi music scene.
 
Rechtsrock is a German term for music that acts as a vehicle for far-right ideology.
 
A key part of this scene are music festivals that act as key networking hubs for neo-Nazi groups across Europe. Festivals in Ukraine, Italy and Greece feature bands from across the Continent, and there’s a strong scene in Germany, which is home to some of the largest neo-Nazi music festivals in recent years.
 
One of those festivals, held in the German state of Thuringia, drew in an estimated 5,000 neo-Nazis. It was organised by the Turonen, a violent neo-Nazi gang who were recently targetted in a raid by police where large amounts of cash, weapons and crystal meth were found. These festivals can make organisers hundreds of thousands of euros, which are then pumped back into the neo-Nazi underground scene.
 
From Athens to Milan to Kiev and beyond, far-right music is a vital cultural weapon for right-wing extremists. And as the far-right music scene looks to make its return after a covid-induced hiatus - all eyes are on the authorities to find ways of dealing with this dark and twisted subculture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKX9OjNy_NI

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Ukraine turns a blind eye to ultrarightist militia
By Jack Losh
February 13, 2017

 

MARINKA, Ukraine — A jeep hurtles down a long, potholed road toward the front line. Inside, Misha, Monarch and Dinamo balance their assault rifles between their legs. The mood is upbeat; it has been days since these militiamen traded fire with their enemy entrenched across no man’s land.

 

They approach a Ukrainian army checkpoint surrounded by untended fields. This should be as far as these three gunmen get. The red-and-black flag fluttering from their SUV shows they belong to Right Sector, an ultra­nationalist group of paramilitaries banned from the battlefront.

 

But the guards wave them through. They drive on to join other members of Ukraine’s secret army holding the line on their country’s eastern frontier.

 

Please click on the below link to read more

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraine-turns-a-blind-eye-to-ultrarightist-militia/2017/...



 

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Because of things like this, the evils of racism etc. being allowed to exist, it can give people like Putin an excuse to invade.  Again, I do not support what Putin has done and I have to voice my condemnation. But there is other info out there that can put this all in a better perspective. And our media is not doing that for us.

 

BTW: Where were they back in the day in condemning Bush?

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It seems to me that you (claim) you are not trying to justify Putin's invasion, but believe the Washington Post which you conclude highlights the evils of Ukraine racism. However, "we are only seeing what our media wants us to see." LOL . And we are only concluding what we want to conclude!

 

You pretty much start with, "Just as the US was wrong to invade Iraq etc. and end with, "BTW: Where were they back in the day in condemning Bush?"

 

I don't know about the others here but I think the real message is crystal clear.

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It seems to me that you (claim) you are not trying to justify Putin's invasion, but believe the Washington Post which you conclude highlights the evils of Ukraine racism. However, "we are only seeing what our media wants us to see." LOL . And we are only concluding what we want to conclude!

 

You pretty much start with, "Just as the US was wrong to invade Iraq etc. and end with, "BTW: Where were they back in the day in condemning Bush?"

 

I don't know about the others here but I think the real message is crystal clear.


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Oh I think you know what I am trying to say. Look, I disagree with what Russia has done. No invasion of another country is justified and I do condemn Putin for that.  But, Ukraine is not a righteous country either.

 

And my opinion of the US is the same as my opinion of Russia. They are both the same in that they have invaded when they shouldn't have.

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No, I don't know what you are trying to say.

 

I may have understood better had you not posted the Washington Post article or commented, "But Ukraine is not a righteous country either". I could post dozens of articles on the sufferings in Iraq under Saddam Hussein's dictatorship.

 

Which ever way you cut it, no country has the right to invade another and murder the men, women, children and babies in that country. You don't have to be "righteous" to be entitled to life. Putin is an evil criminal and I hope he treated accordingly by the civilized world.

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I'm not trying to justify what Russia / Putin has done. No invasion of a sovereign country is right.  Just as the US was wrong to invade Iraq etc., so is Russia here! However, we are only seeing what our media wants us to see. Sure, a good deal of what they show is is happening. But, as time tells us, some of the picture we were shown and became emotionally reactive to can be misleading. And some of it turns out to be absolutely false!

 

 

It's called propaganda...we are all guilty of it....we all have blood on our hands....just look at the latest from our MP's.....**bleep** on all sides...

 

History is always being re-written, due to the 'winners' writing it in the first place....but then the truth comes out and is constantly speculated upon.......Aborigines, Kennedy, Royal Family, East Timor, 9/11 etc etc etc

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Yes! Any country that invades another country is fronted by an evil criminal, be it a self-styled dictator or a puppet in the US doing the bidding for a group of greed propelled sociopath mega corporations.

 

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BTW: Yes Saddam was horrific, no debate there.  But  .. .. .. .. Until the US decided that Saddam had to go, prior to that , they had no problem with him doing what he was doing.  Ah, Augusto Pinochet  comes to mind.

 

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