on 23-02-2020 01:54 PM
Solved! Go to Solution.
on 29-02-2020 07:36 PM
on 29-02-2020 07:53 PM
@lurker172602 wrote:And heres one for Hannah and her little friends who kudod her post
**bleep** is that supposed to mean? Hannah and her friends are here? Does your picture suggest you have some personal connection with this case?
No, on the contrary I have said all along that no-one on this thread knows what really went on and we are all speculating based on often highly skewed media reports.
My picture was in response to hannah and her kudo friends suggesting I was simply making up the information provided about the court processes for domestic violence victims. Also in answer to the many posters who have suggested I support DV when in fact I,m actively working to assist both a female perpetrator and male victim of DV. This is real life, genuine help, not just community thread hot air from people who have a lot to say, but actually never do anything constructive themselves.
I will not be drawn into discussing the backgrounds of the two young people I,m working with, but they both have very tragic stories to tell and where homeless when a member of my family brought their plight to our attention asked us to assist them.
Sure I get it that my posts come across as dogmatic, determined and abrasive at times, but these are qualities that are needed to actually get stuff done and get positive outcomes for people who are unfamiliar with bureaucratic systems and the people who work in them. Not taking any BS and pointing out when the system is illogical are important aspects of reaching good outcomes for people who dont have a voice of their own..
on 29-02-2020 08:05 PM
Chameleon wrote: Like most of these things, it appears this case is quite complex and not a black and white issue.
He deliberately set fire to his wife and children and watched them die in agony - how much more black and white could that be?
29-02-2020 08:18 PM - edited 29-02-2020 08:19 PM
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:Chameleon wrote: Like most of these things, it appears this case is quite complex and not a black and white issue.
He deliberately set fire to his wife and children and watched them die in agony - how much more black and white could that be?
That bit is pretty black and white. But as the leading detective on the case inferred before being stood down, there may be a lot of relevant history leading up to and contributing to this unfortunate event. The system is not like a skilled surgeon making very measured and precise decisions and actions. Its more like a 500 kg. gorilla wielding a sledge hammer at times.
Lack of resources, staff pressured for time, demands for quick, cheap outcomes, generic responses to highly individual problems and social issues including stereotyping and discrimination mean outcomes for both victims and reformation of perpetrators of domestic violence are often more damaging than they need to be. The system as it stands is often actually contributing to and exacerbating the problems.
If we are genuine about finding solutions and reducing the impacts of domestic violence then we need to be open and honest about the failings in the current system.
on 29-02-2020 08:25 PM
there may be a lot of relevant history leading up to and contributing to this unfortunate event
The only thing that could possibly relevant to burning your famiy to death would be if you if you were in the grip of some kind of psychotic delusion. And as far as I know, nobody has ever suggested this. Anything else is simply trying to mitigate the inexcusable.
on 29-02-2020 10:07 PM
its not just men
Woman charged over fatal car crash in Huonville, Tasmania
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-29/woman-charged-with-family-violence-road-death/12014076
on 01-03-2020 07:18 AM
01-03-2020 09:59 AM - edited 01-03-2020 10:02 AM
@lurker172602 wrote:
How many men each week?
I doubt that too many people would argue with you that more DV perpetrators where men than woman, but I suspect there is a massive under reporting of DV by woman towards their children or partners. Reasons for this could include
* Social stereotyping....ie only men commit DV. This being a message constantly pushed by some of the men haters in the feminist movement
* Social stereotyping that says men should be the strong leader in the family and shame they feel at being abused by their partner mean they often don't report
* The fact that men are physically stronger means that unless weapons are used, they often inflict greater physical damage than woman
* An institutional system that is geared towards protecting and providing refuge for woman and children rather than men. Woman are still regarded as the principle carers for children. ( more social stereotyping that needs to be addressed if we are to have genuine equality for woman )
* This institutional prejudice means that men who are being physically or psychologically abused by their partner often just quietly leave the house and the relationship, rather than working through a biased system geared towards woman. Oh did you hear so and so have just split up. He's living with his brother now.
And here's a link from the W.H.O that provides another shade of grey to the issue of domestic violence. Victims of domestic violence as children, often go on to become perpetrators in later life. The damage DV causes is traumatising and can cause enormous social dysfunction and psychiatric illness in later life. That perpetrator you love to hate may also be the victim you didn't protect. More compassion and understanding is needed if we are to really make inroads into the problem of domestic violence.
http://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/98783/E90619.pdf
on 01-03-2020 10:17 AM
on 01-03-2020 10:22 AM