The CARBON tax is working great, not

[the_hawk*]

Its seems to have been kept fairly quiet

BUT

Yesterday, we hit 400 parts per million of atmospheric CO2

http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=co2+hits+400+ppm&oq=co2+hits+&gs_l=hp.1.0.0i22i30.2281.14469.0.17125.13.10.3.0.0.0.500.3436.2-2j7j0j1.10.0...0.0...1c.1.12.psy-ab.lnLhHAzvnug&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.46340616,d.aGc&fp=7b31086ec9af9775&biw=844&bih=421

[wareubin]

reduced emissions of carbon from electricity production by 8.6 % in australia

Australia emissions have never been the problem. China is the problem. Gillard is selling coal to the world largest polluter, yet not a peep of protest from the luvies. 

[poddster]

google greenhouse gas proportions

[i-need-a-martini]

Don't worry - I just found that the last graph was created by amateur scientist and global warming denier Monte Heib.

Good try poddster.

[i-need-a-martini]

reduced emissions of carbon from electricity production by 8.6 % in australia

Australia emissions have never been the problem. China is the problem. Gillard is selling coal to the world largest polluter, yet not a peep of protest from the luvies. 

Actually you would be surprised. Australia produces around 2% of the worlds emissions. It doesn't sound much but it is quite significant for a minor world player. Most Eurpoean countries produce less than us.

Significantly we actually produce more tonnes of emissions per capita than ANY OTHER COUNTRY.

Off the top of my head we produce around 20 tonnes py pp as opposed to Chinas 6 tonnes.

[monman12]

I really wish the Alarmists in this forum actually understood this subject, (or the minimisers would research and present scientific facts,) I agree'

"Global warming happens in between Ice Ages. Fact."
Fact, ice ages/warm ages have a period of 100,000 years, not the comparative meteoric rate of rise in temperature experienced over the last 150 years.

"CO2 enrichment will add little more than 0.6 °C to global mean surface temperature by 2100."
CSIRO
"Australian average temperatures are projected to rise by 0.6 to 1.5 ºC by 2030 and by  2.2 to 5.0 ºC for a high emission scenario (similar to the world’s current path)."

"next time a volcano coughs, there goes 40 million extra tonnes of co2."
Really DLA? Mount St Helens coughed up only 10 million tonnes of CO2, and man produces 135 times more CO2 annually than ALL the world volcanoes.  "Humans emit in under three days the amount that volcanoes typically release in a year"

"This tax will also drive wealthy countries into poverty." Codswallop, FACTS please.


"2 The nuclear furnace at the centre of our solar system drives the climate."
True, BUT it is a single constant in a climate calculation, whereas climatology is a complex interaction of variables and their effects, one of which is anthropogenic carbon dioxide,
 
"3 A small change in the increase or decrease of average global temperature will always be happening."
That  is true. but it happens naturally over a period of 100,000 years. Currently it is rising inexorably and mirroring increasing atmospheric CO2 concentration at at 2 orders of magnitude faster than ever before.
 
"4. There are locations on the planet which are densely populated that have an 80 degree celcius swing and life still thrives."
And this "swing" will have an increasing higher maximum. How far above sea level are these densely populated locations, and where are they?

"More carbon dioxide is produced by the planet, than by man".

"While fossil-fuel derived CO2 is a very small component of the global carbon cycle, the extra CO2 is cumulative because the natural carbon exchange cannot absorb all the additional CO2. Human activity produces nearly 30Gt of CO2 annually, of this 18Gt remains in the atmosphere because the planet can not absorb it."
Result, slowly  increasing global temperatures and associated  physical interaction/problems.

I really wish some in this forum actually understood this subject, and would research their "facts"'

However whilst being averse to poor research and misleading "facts" I will agree with an opinion or two and repeat what I have been saying for years, "Australia's GHG emissions are insignificant on a global scale and a carbon tax, or cap & trade scheme are of no import globally. Those "baying" years ago for a form of tax also did not understand the physics or mechanics ( in 2006 when 68 per cent supported an aggressive response (to global warming) and only 24 per cent favoured a gradual approach.

[poddster]

this more to your liking ?

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/vapor_warming.html

and not even a mention of watervapor in this link, how conveniant 

http://www.climatechange.vic.gov.au/greenhouse-gas-emissions

Dr. Wallace Broecker, a leading
world authority on climate
Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory,
Columbia University,
lecture presented at R. A. Daly Lecture at the
American Geophysical Union's
spring meeting in Baltimore, Md., May
1996.

Amateur???

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

[i-need-a-martini]

Im not denying that water vapour makes up a large proportion of emissions. It has for millions of years.

But they don't call it the fragile planet for nothing - it will be the humans growing contribution to emissions that tips the world over the edge.

[poddster]

Tips the world over the edge of what?

The planet will survive as long as the Sun survives and longer.

Planets are not that fragile and are in a constant state of evolution at times some species are favoured at times others are.

How dare humans have the audacity to think they are in control of the environment?

Humans will need to adapt just the same as any other species on the plant to changing conditions have done and will continue to do while this planet is capable of sustaining life in one form or another.

Embrace you future :).

[just_me_karen]

That people think like that is actually quite sad IMO. Fortunately, there are not many of them, although sometimes it seems otherwise on CS ;\

[i-need-a-martini]

If you want to read a great piece of fiction about the effects of global warming on our society, I suggest you read The Desolation Will Consume You by Ken Brosky.

It's fiction (very short story) but a good possible and ugly scenario of what I mean when i say 'tipping us over the edge'.

It may be fiction but until we start appreciating what lies ahead of us, then of course we will deny that global warming will have no effect on us.