The Gonski in doubt ...back to the drawing board ?

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Gonski school funding: NSW Government plans to fight changes to deal

By chief political correspondent Emma Griffiths

Updated 22 minutes ago

The New South Wales Government says it will fight any changes to the "Gonski" school funding agreement it struck with federal Labor before the election.

New federal Education Minister Christopher Pyne has said the Coalition cannot go ahead with the "Gonski" funding arrangements and will go back to the "drawing board".

He insists the total amount of money allocated to schools funding will not change, but the way in which it is delivered is now uncertain because final deals had not been signed with some states.

But his NSW counterpart Adrian Piccoli says it has a "binding agreement" that must be honoured.

"NSW expects the Commonwealth to fulfil its obligations under this agreement," he said in a statement.

"NSW will not agree to returning to the broken SES funding model. The new funding model has secured additional resources for classrooms across NSW, with the majority going to schools in most need."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-25/gonski-funding3a-nsw-government-plans-to-fight-changes/5114880

[i-need-a-martini]

I read your frustration chuk and felt the same way.

[chuk_77]

you saw it pre-modified? Yay if you did. I posted and ran so had no idea how long it stayed as it was. I was busy looking for a brick wall. Wanna share it?

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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@my*mum wrote:

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@chuk_77 wrote:

Im not a flippn politician. How do I know what their plan is. You asked to be enlightened on the 2014 aspect. You got your wish. the NSW governemt was going to relaese the first phase of funding in 2014

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what was that funding for?

short or long term provisions?

Iza made the statement that schools were relying on that funding for 2014(sic) - but for what?

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They have a major reform committment. Aside from resources aimed at numeracy/literacy, there is a large push to put resources to the most unerfunded and disadantaged schools in the state particularly out west and in rural nsw.

They have already budgeted for next year and the funding has been allocated. As I imagine all the education departments have.

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No, they haven't.

Funding and budgetting cannot be finalized until Day 8 of the school year. It is NOT Typical for a school adminstrator/principal to do so before this date as this is when they know what their enrollment and staff requirements for the year are and what funding they are elligible for. FUNDING IS NOT ALLOCATED UNTIL AFTER DAY 8 of any SCHOOL YEAR.

There are cirrently 3 different funding levels

National Partnership = being VERY poorly managed atm

Closing the Gap Money = well managed

Then State funding for Literacy and Numeracy

Regardless Gonski money is not for 2014 short term budgeting.

Again -

Australian Constitution - Section 96 - Financial assistance to States During a period of ten years after the establishment of the Commonwealth and thereafter until the Parliament otherwise provides, the Parliament may grant financial assistance to any State on such terms and conditions as the Parliament thinks fit.

Why does the Gov provide funding when it has no Constitutional; requirement to do so? Could it be as a bargaining tool for something else?

Victoria originally signed Gonski, what has been their post signing attitude?

How about WA?

Why are NSW so alarmed, could it be because their mismanagement of State funds has their education system in crisis and in desp[erate need of funding? from any source?

Ther long and the short of it is, that Gonski is a huge Balls up and a party to gross mismanagement, implementation and administration, just like past efforts as mentioned above

[i-need-a-martini]

Wasn't there for long. 5 mins I reckon.

[chuk_77]

haha they have trigger fingers tonight

[the_great_she_elephant]

Call me a cynic, but I suspect once all the dust has settled you'll find the actual proposals have changed very little, only the wording has been altered and a couple of unimportant clauses added or deleted, so Tony Abbott can announce it as a brand new Coalition policy rather than an inherited Labor one.

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All Coalition policies are fully costed and fully funded."

Liberal Party of Australia on Wednesday, September 4, 2013 in a Liberal Party flyer

Our ruling

The Coalition today released a document showing its spending and savings measures. It produces a bottom line, but does not an account for the way each policy has been costed, displaying the assumptions and the process in plain sight.

Showing that numbers add up without revealing how they were arrived at has little value.

We know that the PBO looked at most policies and the panel of experts looked at all of them. But three major policies were not submitted to the PBO for costing, and there are big questions over the assumptions behind each of them.

The pamphlet in question was created and circulated well before today’s announcement. To tell voters that "all Coalition policies are fully costed and fully funded" is inaccurate.

We rate the statement False.

Coalition Costings Table by politicalalert

Easy to see why they are concerned that their funding is in doubt ...

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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@my*mum wrote:

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and until I know more, after seeing the fiasco with the previous money grants, I have no problem with checks and balances, cos I am pretty sure that everyone agreed to the funding for the school halls, science and sports buildings..... and that wiorked out so well, eh? No money wasted there, was there, huh?

What fiasco? That's ridiculous. A couple of budget blow outs from mismanaged funds does not make a program a failure. Far from it. Most schools across the country benefited enormously. Particularly those schools who's accommodation hadn't been touched since the 70s'. And the irony is that the only indication of a strategy that Pyne has proposed is to make schools even MORE independent with their funding. So it means even less scrutiny of how money is spent.

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Mismanaged? There are schools that got those halls that cannot use them as they dion't have the money to connect the electricity and water. They were copokie cutter halls, many not able to be used at all as they face North West and the heat and poor insulation doesn't allow for the kids to be in them!

Then there are the schools that already had perfectly good halls etc - but hey - they still got another three million - ours used it for an under cover three story car park! oh, and we got ANOTHER sports center with 4 more indoor basketball courts, plus a brand new tennis academy complete with swish facilities like showers and changerooms and bonza food facilities, AND a brand new library, new science buildings, and 1 brand new school caffeteria - no, not just a tuckshop - an indoor airconditioned sit down cafetria style lunch hall! and then there is the gym, and the science equipment that local universities don't even have,

and then there are schools that doin't even have floors on their classrooms?

Yeah, that money was managed well....

Yeah the laptops were great too, most of the schools don't have the infrastructure in place to operate them! So what good are the lap tops?

oh, and the solar panels? brilliant - they run our admin building...... and the kids get a peek at the workings etc during one iof their science l;essons

oh, I forgot about the admin building - the staff room has pool tables, a splish kitchen, huge lounges and televisions etc

and then there are schools that doin't even have floors on their classrooms?

well managed funding over the last 5 years,,,,,

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@lakeland27 wrote:

NDIS   is now in abbotts hands, already rumblings about cutting it back we shouldn't have ever needed it, Our disabled should already have been being looked after - they just ran out of money and needed to rebadge another tax grab justification. and it hardly relied or implemented anything from the IPP report. Lets see how it pans out eh? It's not even adequately funded short term.

Naplan  a lot of people use/appreciate this service Who? Politicians and the general public who believe that curriculum documents determine the quality of education. It has done nothing more than provide fodder for simplistic Leagues Tables. Government officials, parents, students and their communities make important educational decisions based on policy documents and tests that reflect a narrow view of a schools performance by devaluing important influencing socioeconomic factors such as class, culture, ethnicity, cultural capital and habitus. Not only do these tests and documents represent the dominant class and its ideologies with disregard to the cultural capital of minorities, but they fail to acknowledge other benefits a student gains through their education such as pastoral care and socialisation skills. Even the Greens bag out NAPLAN

Pensions  Labor gave pensioners the largest rise in 30 yrs maybe they did - but they're still doing it rough, and they were promised a decent lifestyle.

School Kids Bonus  having talked to a headmaster and teachers they expect more kids without books/uniform at the gate in 2014 - it's no longer, and then there are the repercussions of the adjusted incomes because it is no longer a tax deduction. Plus that "bonus" lasy year was given to spend on anything......

Healthcare   no contest thank you

Free, equitable and just education for ALL children. no contest thank you

Medicare  another great Labor policy  Oh, I think it is great, but it isn't providing what it claimed it would, not how it was sold to us, hence the need for the incr for those with disabilities, and the declining access to necessary healthcare. That's my hugest whinge about the NDIS, not that we needed it, of course we needed to give much more assistance to those with disabilities, but they were already supposed to be getting it - so it was sold to us with emotional blackmail instead of just saying "we're increasing medicare cos we need more funds to provide fair and necessary health care.

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[lakeland27]

 just rubbish, i see the laptops and the formerly dickensian schools regularly and they have never been better.  why tarnish a good program with some cherry -picked examples of poor tradesmen. no shonky work here thankyou v much .