What About The Children?

I am amazed and disgusted that in all the indignation over what Gillian Triggs should or shouldn't have done or who said or didn't say what to her, not ONE SINGLE POLITICIAN  except, finally, Malcolm Turnbull, has commented in any way on the contents of her report..

 

She found that  over a 15-month period from January 2013 to March 2014, spanning both the Labor and Coalition governments  there were 233 recorded assaults involving children and 33 incidents of reported sexual assault. 

 

If these findings are true - and as far as I know nobody has so far disputed them -   then what is going to be done about it? Who had the duty of care? who is going to be held responsible. What measures are going to be put in place to stop this abuse happening in future?

 

Both Gillian Triggs and George Brandis are astute and comparitively wealthy adults able to instruct top  legal practitioners to protect their reputaions - but who is going to protect the safety of these children? How many more children have been abused since March 2014? Is a child perhaps being abused in a detention centre  even while you are reading this post? 

 

Surely to goodness after all that was learned from the Children In Care Royal Commission this report cannot simply be put in a "don't want to know" basket while both sides of Pariament try to gain political mileage out the motives of the Human Rghts Commissioner or the behaviour of the Attourney General.

 

At some point -though probably not in the lifetime of this government  or even  the one that follows it - there will inevitably be a Royal Commission into the treatment of children in detention centre. what do you imagine its findings are likely to be?

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@donnashuggy wrote:

@am*3 wrote:

Have you read the HRC report poddster?


Obviously not triggs.jpg


I scrolled to the bottom to post that cartoon caricature Donna because it is so true!

 

I will go back and read the thread now but I already know that the point will be lost with the usual.

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@poddster wrote:

Does anyone care to enlightem ne as to how these kids were abosed and by whom/

 

Does anyone even know the details of any abuse?


Here is the reposrt Poddster:

 

https://www.humanrights.gov.au/our-work/asylum-seekers-and-refugees/publications/forgotten-children-...

 

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What was Trigg doing for the 6 years before the Snap shot ?

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And for those of you intent on backing up Abbotts ridiculous claim that the report is biased, here is a C&P of the forward.

 

I haven't included it all as it is quite lengthy but I have highlighted the paragraphs where governments are named. Not ONCE is 'blame' placed solely at the feet of the Liberal Govt. The report always mentions BOTH partoes in the same sentences when attributing 'blame'. I have underlined this so there no mistake.

 

Australia currently holds about 800 children in mandatory closed immigration detention for indefinite periods, with no pathway to protection or settlement. This includes 186 children detained on Nauru.

 

Children and their families have been held on the mainland and on Christmas Island for, on average, one year and two months. Over 167 babies have been born in detention within the last 24 months.

 

This Report gives a voice to these children.

 

...Importantly, the Government recognises that the fact of detention contributes significantly to mental illness among detainees.

 

The aims of the Inquiry have been to:

  • Assess the impact of prolonged immigration detention on childrenโ€™s health, wellbeing and development by collecting the evidence of children and their families, scholarly research, Department of Immigration and Border Protection data and the views of medical experts and the Australian community
     
  • Promote compliance with Australiaโ€™s international obligations to act in the best interests of children.

...As the medical evidence has mounted over the last eight months of the Inquiry, it has become increasingly difficult to understand the policy of both Labor and Coalition Governments. Both the Hon Chris Bowen MP, as a former Minister for Immigration, and the Hon Scott Morrison MP, the current Minister for Immigration, agreed on oath before the Inquiry that holding children in detention does not deter either asylum seekers or people smugglers. No satisfactory rationale for the prolonged detention of children seeking asylum in Australia has been offered.

 

Australia is unique in its treatment of asylum seeker children. No other country mandates the closed and indefinite detention of children when they arrive on our shores. Unlike all other common law countries, Australia has no constitutional or legislative Bill of Rights to enable our courts to protect children. The Convention on the Rights of the Child is not part of Australian law, although Australia is a party. The Convention is, however, part of the mandate of the Australian Human Rights Commission to hold the Government to account for compliance with human rights. This Convention accordingly informs the findings and recommendations made by the Inquiry.

 

The evidence documented in this Report demonstrates unequivocally that prolonged detention of children leads to serious negative impacts on their mental and emotional health and development. This is supported by robust academic literature.

 

It is also clear that the laws, policies and practices of Labor and Coalition Governments are in serious breach of the rights guaranteed by the Convention on the Rights of the Child and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. 

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@vicr3000 wrote:

What was Trigg doing for the 6 years before the Snap shot ?


Umm...she was doing her JOB!!

 

If you spent 5 minutes looking at what the HRC actually do and what they have investigated then you wil see what she, and the commissioner before her, have been doing.

 

 

 

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

@vicr3000 wrote:
Podd

Labor covering up what happened on their watch

Which is why shorten is keeping quiet, he doesnt want the truth to come out.


So why isn't Abbott happy that the truth has come out. the report coverd january 2013 6 months before the election to March 1914 6 months after the election. Abbott  had the report in November. Whydidn't he say something then? Why  hasn't he said steps are being taken t address the situation?  - why hasn't he called for a royal commission.

I'm sure the abuse goes back well before 2013 and I'm sure Labor has more blood on its hands than the LNP does. But the LNP is the current government.  They were the ones handed the report and they are the ones who have the power to do something about Yet NOT ONE POLITICIAN (other than Turnbull) has expressed any concern over it.


Because he wanted time to slowly attack Professor Triggs. He wanted time to find anything he could to smear her name and judgement.  She has at all times done her job.  She is a law professional who understands her own legal obligation and acted accordingly.  Abbott doesn't care about the damage he is doing to the institution and the democracy.  As long as he can turn public opinion of her into the ground.  He doesn't show her the respect her position in law commands, he doesn't address her by her correct title and he wants to replace her with an unqualified dud.  He wants the community to think she too is an unqualified dud and our sexist society plays right into his hand.  

 

It's basically all about the polls to him and winning at any cost.  He will be punching the air with joy this week because he got a little boost and thinks the backbench like him when he plays the sexist bully.

 

She did not heckle anyone at anytime. She answered all questions with honesty and dignity. She asked all questions in the same manner.  

 

When taking evidence for the enquiry she was confronted by hostile witnesses whose interest was in attacking the chair and dirtying the questions.  Instead of clarifying the information the screamed her down.

 

The snippets we see on the news do not tell the story.  We need to see large sections of the hearing to be anyway informed. 

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@2106greencat wrote:

At the risk of being shot down in flames..........

 

Can anyone answer podds question.....

 

Who abused the children ?

 

and for my own question - what makes this any more reprehensible than the children outside of detention centres being abused on a daily basis ?


Open the report and see if the information is there.  I haven't read it all.  I didn't search for that answer within it.

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We, as in Australia, need to withdraw as signatories to those UN HR conventions.

 

We don't need them, the UN can't do a damn thing to enforce them and all they do is allow

the UN HCR to criticise the Austrralian Gov't of the day because they will NEVER be happy

regardless of what the Gov't does.

 

Luckily the Abbott Gov't has told the UN HCR where to go and has stopped taking any notice of them.

It was about time.

 

 

 

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@vicr3000 wrote:

What was Trigg doing for the 6 years before the Snap shot ?


She only became president of the Human Rights Commission in 2012.

 

I know it's difficult, but can't you please try to lift your head abve the mire of party politics for a moment.

 

A report has been tabled saying that  children have been abused in government run institutions and neither the government nor the opposition seem  to beinterested in discussing it or doing anything about it.

 

How is this case so different from children being abused in State and church run home?. When details about that became known , did both sides of government go into melt down arguing over whose watch it hapened on and who should have investigated what, how or when? 

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@vicr3000 wrote:

What was Trigg doing for the 6 years before the Snap shot ?


Here I will even make it easy for you and give you the link:

 

https://www.humanrights.gov.au/our-work

 

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