When is a win not a win ? Nine news calls the SA election for the Liberals

[chameleon54]

Nine news has called the SA election as a " win"  for the Liberals. With counting still well underway Nines computer modelling shows the Liberals currently holding 24 seats ( a majority win) Labor 17, independants 2 and several seats still in doubt. Nick Xenophon appears to have completely missed out on winning any seats.

After 16 years of Labor government the Liberals are going to have a huge job ahead, trying to restore the budget, provide some functionality to SA's health service and get the states economy moving again. They will also need to try to clean up the mess Labor has created in electricity generation and reduce power prices ( currently some of the most expensive in the world ). The ridiculous cost of electricity has directly resulted in businesses leaving the state or closing down altogether. 

After 16 years of Labor, corruption appears to have crept into state governance, and the public service has become bloated and inept. ( around 30% larger than other states per capita ) It will be an enormous job trying to trim the fat from the PS and restore the publics faith in public office. South Australia's Jobless rate regularly tops the nation as the states economy has slowly been run into the ground and rebuiling business and employer confidence will take time. Reversing the trend of SA's young leaving the state in droves is another challenge.

Regional roads have been sadly neglected for years with many in such poor condition that the government has recently had to reduce the speed limits on many of the states main country highways as they are no longer safe to travel on at normal highway speed. Agriculture is SA's fastest growing industry and has the fastest growth rates in employment, but has been terribly neglected under Labor. Vital research facilities and the highly skilled staff that run them have been disbanded and rail and port systems starved of maintenance funds or closed altogether.

Schooling and education, often considered a Labor strong point is in a serious state of mismanagement with the state regularly featuring in the bottom of national schools testing and our age care facilities are in crisis with regular scandels of neglect and abuse of our most vulnerable under Labors care.

The Liberals may have won the election, but the state is in such a mess they may have preffered to have lost this time

[chameleon54]

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@tezza2844wrote:

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@twrote:

Yeah well, after a cpl of statewide blackouts and other problems,

Tezza - Good to see the new Government (who after all privatised the Electricity in SA)

Chameleon54 wrote - You seem to regularly forget why that was Tezza, or maybe you simply dont know. Again let me help you. If you do a little google search of " SA Sate Bank " you will find that a previous SA Labor government got bedazzled by a fast talking banker named Tim Marcus Clarcke. He lead the financial incompetants of the Labor government up the garden path and into financial oblivian. Result a four billion dollar loss to SA taxpayers. This was decades ago at a time when 4 billion dollars actually meant something. It nearly bankrupted the state, resulted in Labor being banished from office and as per usual it was up to the Liberals to come in and clean up Labors financially incompetant mess. The only way out was to sell some of the family silver in the form of ETSA.. Sorry, I know its hard for you to understand, but that is just what happens when a bunch of Labor financial dim wits get their hands on a states finances. Bad things happen.

Tezza - will be able to control natures whims and guarantee fine weather etc. No more storms or problems with the supply from solar or wind generation and regulation of power from Vic (also privatised by a  Liberal conservative Government) and just get back to coal fired generation

chameleon54 - Well it would be good if we could. The owners of one of our largest power stations which was slated for closure, warned Labor of the dangers of grid instability caused by the rush to renewables and offered to stay open for 3 years for a cost of $20 million per year. This would give the state time to find ways to stabilise the grid. Labor refused and the rest is history. The bill so far for this " little mistake " is over half a billion dollars and rising. Just another example of gross incompetance. And to cap it all off, LABOR BLEW THE MOTHBALLED POWER STATION UP WITH EXPLOSIVES A FEW MONTHS AGO, no doubt to try to erase their stupidity from peoples memory.

tezza - if they wherewhich apparently won't fail where solar and wind generation did.

But hang on does not coal generated energy rely on the delivery structure as wind and solar powered energy?

chameleon - Sorry tezza, but like all things its not that simple. The reason the state totally lost power was not because a few power lines came down in a storm. Power lines have been coming down in storms since they where first installed. The problem is that SA Labor mandated an energy target of 50% renewables by 2020 in an attempt to show how trendy they where and to appease the greens.The state currently generates over 48% of its energy with renewables. Such a high threshold of renewables causes a problem of intermitant generation. This needs to be stabilised by base load power to stop sudden surges and drops in energy transmission.

This is called base load generation and has in the past been supplied by the power station that SA Labor blew up. When the power lines went down in the storm, it flicked circuit breakers, resulting in power surges and drops in an unstable grid. The erratic renewables generation was unable to provide any form of grid stability, thus  further triggering more circuit breakers and the house of cards fell down. Had SA had enough traditional base load power it would have stabilised these pulses and the circuit breakers would not have tripped.

Labor was warned of this problem numerous times by industry representatives and their own advisers, but being the incompetant mob they where, simply ignored the warnings and the rest is history.

  Their answer to the state wide black out ???   They have purchased around a dozen DIESEL POWERED generators to provide base load power at a cost of several hundred million dollars. Diesel being the most EXPENSIVE and polluting of all power generation fuels. JUST TOTAL GROSS INCOMPETANCE !!!!

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[chameleon54]

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@chameleon54wrote:

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@davidc4430wrote:

how long before the 'we cant do the things we promised because of labors mess' speech?

he (mr marshall) made a ton of promises in order to win votes.

personally i think he could have won without so many promises but just with a decent plan for the state.

but we got promises without much plan, we shall see wont we.

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Not sure what you are basing that on David. The Advertiser ( SA's largest daily paper ) ran an article detailing the cost of promises from both major parties ( page 11, Saturday 17 / 3 / 18 ). 

The total cost of the Liberals election promises $448 million. Total cost of Labors election promises $2.392 Billion. I think you need to do some fact checking before throwing around random statements like " Marshall made a ton of promises in order to win " because frankly as the above figures show, your statement is quite ridiculous when comparing the two parties. 

Contrary to what you have inferred, the Liberals in fact went to the election with a very modest programme of spending which reflected the precarious state of South Australias financial position after the 16 year traditional Labor spendathon funded as always by borrowed money. Undoubtably this fiscal restraint was one reason they where succesful in the election. SA public have come to realise we just cant keep throwing money at non productive projects, just to keep Labors construction industry mates happy.

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And to all of the little Labor fan club members who cheered your erronious post....... as Kath  says " I,ve just got one word to say to you " ...............

Spoiler

BAHHH !!!

[davidc4430]

hmmm, advertiser, not really a good unbiased publication.

reading the guardian i cant figure out how all those spending 'promises' fit into $448 million?

prolly gets down to what they call a 'promise'

everything labor anounced was a 'promise'

90% of what the liberals anounced were NOT 'promises' i guess

[icyfroth]

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@tezza2844wrote:

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@icyfrothwrote:

Ms Gillard was sent packing by her own (Labor) party, as I recall...

Just as your hero (Mr Abbott) was sent packing by his own (Liberal) party, as I recall..

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Of course. That was not disputed.

[davidc4430]

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@davidc4430wrote:

hmmm, advertiser, not really a good unbiased publication.

reading the guardian i cant figure out how all those spending 'promises' fit into $448 million?

prolly gets down to what they call a 'promise'

everything labor anounced was a 'promise'

90% of what the liberals anounced were NOT 'promises' i guess

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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/mar/16/sa-election-promises-compared-how-do-the-poli...

sorry, forgot the link, i shouldnt reply at 3am LOL

[tezza2844]

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@chameleon54wrote:

* Our state owned forests which where returning a tidy profit each year. Sold for a song, no doubt to one of Labors mates.

* Our Lands titles office, sold to a financial consortium with a history of buying state owned  infrastructure and then charging the captive " little people " like wounded bulls. They also have a history of dodgy deals that fly very close to the legal wind.

* The largest government owned, undeveloped piece of land in Adelaide ( Gillman site ). Again sold for a stupidly low price. This sale was so suspicous that it resulted in a royal commission which found SA Labor was involved in suspected corruption and gross incompeteance and mismanagement. ( Royal commissionors words not mine )

* Large sections of our rail system have been leased to private companies and closed down

These are just a few that spring immediately to mind. There are others if I bothered to search, but frankly I have better things to do.

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Perhaps a little more information may have been helpful:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-18/price-revealed-for-forest-harvests-deal/4320360

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-10/lands-titles-privatisation-highlights-value-of-big-data/879491...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gillman,_South_Australia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_South_Australia

Whilst reading above, some of your claims aren't crystal clear, perhaps you spend a little time to expanding on them for people who don't know much about "your" SA

[tezza2844]

 SA election promises, has it started already:

Another pledge for the Liberals' first week was to zone the Repatriation General Hospital site for healthcare services.

Although the Liberal website says it will "Re-open the Repat", the Marshall Government may stop short of what some protestors were expecting.

"We never said the hospital... could be re-established in its entirety, what we did say is large parts of that hospital infrastructure would have to be re-utilised," Mr Marshall said.

[davidc4430]

maybe he'll remind us to read the small print next time lol

[davidc4430]

SA election: What has Steven Marshall actually promised to do if elected?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-19/heres-what-steven-marshall-has-promised/9562270

[tezza2844]

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@chameleon54wrote:

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@tezza2844wrote:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-28/wind-farm-settings-to-blame-for-sa-blackout-aemo-says/8389920