15-04-2020 12:38 AM - edited 15-04-2020 12:42 AM
Interesting developments:
The battle against coronavirus is going hi-tech, with Australians to be asked to download a phone app that will monitor their movements — but only with their express permission.
The Federal Government believes restrictions on the community could be eased in the months ahead if there's more testing, greater surveillance of those infected by the coronavirus and much faster tracing of those they've had contact with.
It is developing a mobile phone app with the private sector to help monitor Australians' daily interactions.
The ABC understands the app will be ready in a fortnight but the Government believes it would need at least 40 per cent of Australians to voluntarily sign up for it to be effective.
The app would be opt-in only and not mandatory.
This app will make contact tracing easier as it will enable authorities to contact people via their phones if they have come in contact with someone who subsequently tests positive.
Personally, count me in. I can always delete the app once this pandemic has settled. If I was to become really concerned I’d simply get a new phone, new number, new sim! OR, simply turn off Bluetooth
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on 15-04-2020 03:16 PM
on 26-04-2020 11:34 PM
@imastawka wrote:but that won't identify any 'strangers' they've been in contact with. That's where the app is most useful
How? If the other person hasn't downloaded the app?
Doesn't make sense.
Exactly, both people coming in contact must have the app and the phone on their person.
In an ideal situation where everybody did, the Health Department would contact individuals who came in contact with a person who tested positive. Then the individuals would be asked to self-isolate for 14 days and monitor their health. It wouldn't help if the infected person had already passed it on to a contact. But it would prevent further spreading if the person/s were confirmed to have contracted it too.
So it can't prevent you from catching the virus. But it can alert you to a contact who was/is positive and prevent further spreading. Clearly, this would only be helpful if the majority of people downloaded the app and carried their phones everywhere outside their homes. Personally, I would do it when I go shopping etc if most other people would do it too.
27-04-2020 06:05 AM - edited 27-04-2020 06:07 AM
@lyndal1838 wrote:For the first time ever on these boards I am going to play the age card....I am a stupid old woman who is too dumb to see how it will work. It makes no sense at all to me.
As I never leave home except for medical appointments I doubt that it will ever be necessary to contact me anyway.
as a scenario in 4 months time you go to your Drs appointment. Another in the waiting room is CO-VID 19 positive but asymptomatic....they are only there for an ingrowing toenail....after some banter their Dr decides to test them for CO-VID19 .. just for a laugh Once a positive test is confirmed anybody that was in the waiting room that has the app and spent 15 minutes in the waiting room the same time as the asympyomatic patient is automatically notified. Their exposure can be digitally traced down to the second and the mm.
On the way home one of those with the app go to the chemist and the reject shop because the dingleberrys were on special.
Anybody that has the app and spent 15 minutes and came within catching distance at the chemist and the reject shop will be
notified about the same time as the original phone owner that was in the DR surgery is notified
As you do not have the app it takes a bit longer (days possibly) to check the appointment times manually to see if you fall into the time period when the asymptomatic patient was in the waiting room. As the manual times/distance trace can only be estimated and larger overlapping scatter gun like sample of people will be notified manually.
Days later you test positive...on the way home from the Drs when you were first infected you went to the chemist and the reject shop too because the dingleberrys were on special.
Because your movement times and contact distances can only come only come from your memory manual tracing at the chemists and reject shop eftpos or healthcare card tracing may mean that 100's of people will need to be notified and tested....but it's too late by then...dys lter the horse has bolted and a cluster infection is born..........
The app gives expediency to the contact trail....
To use an a simple analogy think that the app is notifying you that you have had an infectious contact via email almost instantly whereas with no app it's akin to being notified via snail mail days later after a health boffin public servant does some gazintering and postulating.
27-04-2020 08:46 AM - edited 27-04-2020 08:47 AM
No worries Lyndal BTW I dont think you are stupid nor dumb and you are never too old.
I should have added that in my scenario that ole mate with the ingrowing toenail had the app.
If they didn't have the app and contact needed to be manually traced then as soon as a possibly infected person is contacted and they do have the app then they would be asked to voluntarily upload their phones bluetooth contact data and tracing would be made much quicker and easier.
That's why if 40% or more do get the app it is still more expedient than 100% "snail mail" non app investigative tracking.
The app does not geolocate so it cannot log where the contact occurred or a persons movements it can only identify phones that came
within a distance that may cause infection. After 21 days the phones records are updated daily whereby the oldest days contact drops off.
The records are not held centrally on a server. They are held in the phone and cannot be forcefully accessed. The decision to upload is voluntary and lays with the phones owner.
on 27-04-2020 09:17 PM
@icyfroth wrote:
@k1ooo-slr-sales wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:I still won't be downloading the App...they can get stuffed!
icy, what are your concerns?
Don’t you trust the current government?
Hahaaaa...does it not make you think of population control?
No. More like Covid control. I'm all for it.
on 28-04-2020 02:32 PM
on 28-04-2020 06:26 PM
@rogespeed wrote:
The other issue is that one does not get indicated in being interrogated by another phone. Normally bluetooth connections is a owner initiated task with full owner knowledge. should there be an optional indicator ?
Also need bluetooth to be active - how does this expose one to being hacked ? Is there a notification regarding security recommendations ?
As far as I know it wont work without Bluetooth enabled. So I only enable Bluetooth when I know I will be in contact with ppl for 15 mins or more, then disable it otherwise.
on 15-04-2020 03:31 AM
No, I don't have a smart phone.....just a very dumb one!
on 15-04-2020 06:33 AM
on 15-04-2020 08:34 AM
Would be a tad difficult as I dont own a moby ( smart or not )
on 15-04-2020 11:33 AM
on 15-04-2020 11:54 AM
Count me in too.
I believe there are a lot of unconfirmed cases out there and once restrictions begin to be lifted I think there will be more.
I would like to know asap if I may have come in to contact with anyone who has tested positive, especially if I might be asymptomatic and a risk for other people.
on 15-04-2020 12:08 PM
dont have a smart telefunken and even if i did i wouldnt
i honestly dont think we need it
and once its on ya telefunken it would be a near impossibilty to remove it i bet.
on 15-04-2020 12:15 PM
if it uses Bluetooth to keep track of who you have been near then just turn off the Bluetooth, or, remove the app from your phone.
on 15-04-2020 12:31 PM
Not I.
I don't spend 15 minutes in close proximity to anybody, which is what it tracks. Although I went close to that in the line at the PO yesterday.
I also make a point of not having GPS enabled, and I won't be changing that.
on 15-04-2020 01:39 PM
Nope, no smart phone so a non issue