Yep. American gun laws sure are neat.

[i-need-a-martini]

A country where evryone has a right to be armed. Including those with a criminal history.

The ease in which things like this happen doesn't seem to worry them does it?

http://www.smh.com.au/world/man-shot-woman-son-after-they-laughed-at-him-in-car-police-say-20150403-...

[poddster]

[chuk_77]

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

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softail-joanie wrote: being robbed, raped, abused, I think i would prefer having my home, my personal belongings, guns included, and forGoddness sakes, I want my clothing, maybe a blanket in a freezing cold holding cell. can I at least have my underwear back? I'm not comfortable in an unsanitary display cagecompletly nude for all other prisoners to see, the same male prisoners I'm later thrown head first into a cell with.

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So, it does not look as if the guns were much help to you protecting yourself and your property, were they.  You keep telling us that if were all armed we could protect ourselves, but you did not  use them.  How do you think it would end if you did try to resist police, and pointed a gun at them?

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could be the reason the cops were hard on her and the reason she cant have guns now. They dont take to kindly to that sort of thing

[poddster]

Has anyone got a figure for Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Botswana, and so on and so on 

[nevynreally]

Beetlejuice

[lyne-flyn]

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@chuk_77 wrote:

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

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softail-joanie wrote: being robbed, raped, abused, I think i would prefer having my home, my personal belongings, guns included, and forGoddness sakes, I want my clothing, maybe a blanket in a freezing cold holding cell. can I at least have my underwear back? I'm not comfortable in an unsanitary display cagecompletly nude for all other prisoners to see, the same male prisoners I'm later thrown head first into a cell with.

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So, it does not look as if the guns were much help to you protecting yourself and your property, were they.  You keep telling us that if were all armed we could protect ourselves, but you did not  use them.  How do you think it would end if you did try to resist police, and pointed a gun at them?

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could be the reason the cops were hard on her and the reason she cant have guns now. They dont take to kindly to that sort of thing

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That's assuming any of it is true...I have my doubts....anyone noticed that joanie has written the above in the present tense...as they always do.

[poddster]

Nev its actually Betelgeuse

🙂

[nevynreally]

With some words, the spelling doesn't matter, it's how you say it. 

am over the petty rubbish.

[curmu-curmu]

Incorrect, Poddster...it was people using guns that killed.

Like you, I don't condemn anyone owning a firearm, but I draw the line at the ludicrous nature of America's gun laws...

Like many Aussies, I had a number of longarms when I was younger, but chose to surrender them during the amnesties, 'cos there simply wasn't a need for them!

[poddster]

I have a nUmber of firearms and have had for decades, those firearms have never murdered anyone or even harmed anyone.

You might be interested to know that firearms are inanimate objects, without thought, intent, or mobility.

Like a carving knife, cricket bat, golf club motor vehicle, even a frozen leg of lamb.

It is the intent to kill and the putting into action of that intent that is lethal regardless of the means.

[curmu-curmu]

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@poddster wrote:

I have a nUmber of firearms and have had for decades, those firearms have never murdered anyone or even harmed anyone.

You might be interested to know that firearms are inanimate objects, without thought, intent, or mobility.

Like a carving knife, cricket bat, golf club motor vehicle, even a frozen leg of lamb.

It is the intent to kill and the putting into action of that intent that is lethal regardless of the means.

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Can't argue with that - however, the use of a firearm just makes the committal of said act so much easier - we don't see or hear of too many killing sprees being carried out with a carving knife or frozen leg of lamb, do we?

Certainly, there are individual murders where knives or something other than a firearm is used, but the wholesale slaughter of many would be fraught with difficulty - factor in the possible defence scenarios from a knife attack, versus an attack with a gun, and the odds increase exponentially against mass murder with a leg of lamb!.

I'm afraid your argument that 'guns don't kill people, people do', smacks heavily of the American NRA slogans. And as such, deserves as much admiration. One could easily extrapolate on that, as has Joanie, and state that arms and legs are potentially lethal wepons, as are biros, bic lighters, knitting needles, pointed sticks and heavy bags of frozen peas!

It is not so much the weapon that's responsible, as the intent to use it - and the fact that firearms make murder so much easier - and from a distance, too.