icac's and inquiries

[davidc4430]

its not hard to see why govts are loath to start inquiries or build a true ICAC

history shows often its those who start them who suffer the most

Chris Eccles, Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews' top bureaucrat, resigns after hotel quarantine inquiry requests phone records

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-12/premier-daniel-andrews-dept-head-chris-eccles-resigns/1275361...

dans got himself in a mess, no amount of hand washing will get the dirt off his hands

in NSW gladys is in a similar situation

the spin doctors will be earning their keep these next days/weeks

[myoclon1cjerk]

Angus Taylor.Mr Underachiever and a crook. Like quite a few in the cabinet.Hence no federal ICAC.

[not_for_sale2025]

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@icyfroth wrote:
@not_for_sale:
Some ppl only feel they've "wisened up to the antics of the media" when it goes against their their mindset.
If the "antics of the media" are with them, they call it"facts"

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I think that's old hat, give people more credit these days. Morrison and the media are so transparent. If people can't work out what they're up to then they are either too entrenched in their political bias or not up to the task. You don't have to be liberal or labor to work it out. I find it insulting that the Australian people are viewed to be so stupid that they would fall for their BS.

[lyhargr_0]

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@imastawka wrote:

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@debra9275 wrote:

actually, it doesn't..  most people are making up their own minds about what they know and see for themselves, they don't need the media to tell them what to think or who they should vote for..  Victorians are smarter than that

perhaps it's the daily Andrews press conferences where we've seen a lot of disparity between what's been said and what's been reported

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I think you're right Debra.

I highly doubt anyone from interstate would bother to sit through Dan's press conferences every day to see what's what.

Non-Vics would just be reliant on the printed reports

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Not true, many people living near the Vic/SA are interested in what he has to say each day, mainly 'cause it affects them, their families, their health,  their employment etc etc 

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Bit pedantic Lyh.

Of course if they live close to the border they would be interested.

Don't think i.e Cham lives close to the border though

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Not at all Stalking One, merely stating a FACT

[freddie*rooster]

Well NSW born and lived all my life. I stuck to the ABC

every morning waiting to hear Dan Andrews address the

media regarding the Covid numbers and situation. I wish he

was here in NSW.

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@icyfroth wrote:
@not_for_sale:
Some ppl only feel they've "wisened up to the antics of the media" when it goes against their their mindset.
If the "antics of the media" are with them, they call it"facts"

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As I've mentioned once or twice before:

The 'Thems' are always evil sods,

The 'Usses' little less than Gods

But who is which or which is who

Depends upon your point of view.

[chameleon54]

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@imastawka wrote:

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@imastawka wrote:

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@debra9275 wrote:

actually, it doesn't..  most people are making up their own minds about what they know and see for themselves, they don't need the media to tell them what to think or who they should vote for..  Victorians are smarter than that

perhaps it's the daily Andrews press conferences where we've seen a lot of disparity between what's been said and what's been reported

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I think you're right Debra.

I highly doubt anyone from interstate would bother to sit through Dan's press conferences every day to see what's what.

Non-Vics would just be reliant on the printed reports

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Not true, many people living near the Vic/SA are interested in what he has to say each day, mainly 'cause it affects them, their families, their health,  their employment etc etc 

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Bit pedantic Lyh.

Of course if they live close to the border they would be interested.

Don't think i.e Cham lives close to the border though

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Just goes to show it doesn't pay to make assumptions.......I have a lot more at stake from Dan Andrews actions than I discuss on the forums. In fact his incompetence has probably cost me more $$$ than most of the forum posters actually living in Victoria and as for being close to the border ???? ............ Not telling but....................As I have already said, it doesn't pay to make assumptions .....because in this case they are incorrect...............

Spoiler

and yes there are one or two other regular posters who know more of my personal circumstances than most here and can verify the above

[freddie*rooster]

Glady told the ICAC they planned to marry and that she

loved 'dodgy Daryl'. However she told Ben Fordam on his 

radio programme this morning she loved him but he wasn't

her boyfriend. 

[chameleon54]

Labors Tanya Plibersek sums up what most of us think.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/breaking-news/labor-mp-tanya-plibersek-says-she-feels-sorry-for-glady... 

There is some sympathy for Gladys Berejiklian's position in the rational parts of the community. At this stage it appears she has made a serious miscalculation in her personal life, but it is still to be proven that she was a party to, or supporter of her dodgy partners corruption. The question of how much she actually knew is still being debated and questions of whether she was culpable by turning a blind eye to corruption still remain unanswered. 

Personal issues aside, she is seen by most to have done a relatively good job recently of managing the COVID crisis. After an early mis step with the Ruby Princess, she has unreservedly accepted responsibility for the failure and moved quickly to get on top of things. Facing similar daily COVID case numbers to Andrews in Victoria, her state is still open for business, protecting peoples livelihoods, keeping her states economy ticking over and allowing residents to get on with thier lives.

Compare this to Daniel Andrews in Victoria where Andrews is accused by his own contemporaries of gross incompetence and lying to the commission set up to establish what went so horribly wrong costing 816 people their lives. The ongoing citizen lock ins are some of the longest, anywhere in the world and are turning Victoria into an economic basket case.

I suspect Gladys will survive the current political upheavals to be judged by the electorate at the next election. If history is anything to go by, voters are usually willing to accept personal failings of their leaders if they can demonstrate they have provided competent, responsible governance. They may not be so forgiving if the smell of corruption hangs around though.

[davewil1964]

The glaring difference between NSW and Victoria, which you failed to mention, is that NSW is coming off a very low base whereas Victoria is coming off extremely high levels.

An occasional localised outbreak is a far different proposition to having to manage and reduce widespread infections. Especially given that Victoria still has 15 mystery cases.

[freddie*rooster]

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@chameleon54 wrote:

Labors Tanya Plibersek sums up what most of us think.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/breaking-news/labor-mp-tanya-plibersek-says-she-feels-sorry-for-glady... 

There is some sympathy for Gladys Berejiklian's position in the rational parts of the community. At this stage it appears she has made a serious miscalculation in her personal life, but it is still to be proven that she was a party to, or supporter of her dodgy partners corruption. The question of how much she actually knew is still being debated and questions of whether she was culpable by turning a blind eye to corruption still remain unanswered. 

Personal issues aside, she is seen by most to have done a relatively good job recently of managing the COVID crisis. After an early mis step with the Ruby Princess, she has unreservedly accepted responsibility for the failure and moved quickly to get on top of things. Facing similar daily COVID case numbers to Andrews in Victoria, her state is still open for business, protecting peoples livelihoods, keeping her states economy ticking over and allowing residents to get on with thier lives.

Compare this to Daniel Andrews in Victoria where Andrews is accused by his own contemporaries of gross incompetence and lying to the commission set up to establish what went so horribly wrong costing 816 people their lives. The ongoing citizen lock ins are some of the longest, anywhere in the world and are turning Victoria into an economic basket case.

I suspect Gladys will survive the current political upheavals to be judged by the electorate at the next election. If history is anything to go by, voters are usually willing to accept personal failings of their leaders if they can demonstrate they have provided competent, responsible governance. They may not be so forgiving if the smell of corruption hangs around though.

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Labors Tanya Plibersek sums up what most of us think.

I or my family and friends haven't been surveyed so your

version of what most think is just that your version.