seems mandatory vaccine is the go for the work place ....

The vaccine for covid , seems now being mandated for those currently employed

Seems like a violation of the existing conditions of employment for many , particularly whereby there is no mandate for  influenza vaccine requirement

Of course a harmless vaccine proven to mitigate against deadly covid-19 is desirable however some may object for whatever reason - and as are currently employed , one wonders the moral efficacy of coerced inoculation, as is clearly a workplace agreement item 

There is talk of dismissing currently employed workers for non-compliance

This to me would violate existing workplace agreements and a violation - fully paid leave would be the only  ethical way of excluding current employees ( unless all are retrenched then re-employed under covid safe clauses ) 

If there was no alternate to vaccination a strong case could be argued

But there are alternatives - periodic pcr tests,  daily check-in fast antigen tests , 1 minute on the treadmill 

The vaccines are released under emergency use meaning are experimental , so clearly fall under international law regarding strictly no forcing of experimental treatments

 

All that i am saying is that while inoculation is the most convenient , controllable and cost effective procedure , there should be an alternate process that meets workplace requirements

 

 

 

  

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This thread seems to have a lot of 'word salad'.

 

I recognise the words, but not together in a sentence.

 

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Word salad - hello - 1 post - per page - from a couple. lol

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Just saying - I'm looking forward to meeting - Iver Mectin - bet he's double forcibly jabbed. 🤣

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@domino-710 wrote:

Was anyone interested enough to ask. ??



I realise economics is not everyone's cup of tea, but it is vital when running a business that is exposed to international markets. Our wool and grains are sold directly to international buyers and a lot of lamb ends up overseas through middle men, so we need to know how international money markets work. Its also important when you are self employed and its your own money on the line to understand what you are getting into. If it all goes wrong, there's no boss, government or company to bail you out. 

 

Economics and international financial markets also formed a reasonable chunk of a two year diploma in Agriculture I did many years ago. I found it very interesting and have been studying up on the subject and playing around with investment markets for several decades since. Some wins, some losses. Fortunately the wins have outnumbered the losses and over the years some understanding of investment markets has served the family well.

 

The end result is, rather than being a " glass half empty type " needing janebabe and her little kudo friends pity, I have actually had the best year ever financially even with the remote farm suffering the worst drought on record according to local statistics. I wont tell you the number, but it has even blown me away and I,m tracking things on a regular basis. 

 

There's plenty of knockers on the boards, but its not worrying me much. I,ve already had the last laugh !

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@countessalmirena wrote:

It strikes me - as someone who’s not an economist - that many of the global financial concepts and terms come from the way in which transactions have occurred historically and the current and historical distribution of money. It’s all about power; financial pressures and trends buckle under the acts of those with power. 

That is probably true to an extent, but global economics is a bit like the ocean. The tidal forces are that great that even combined international actions cant stop things when the storms come.

 

That's just a long-winded way of admitting I’m not a stagnation expert.


 

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When all is done - with the trumpet carp.

 

I ran a family business for 30 odd years - employed peeps - expanded - was able to retire - yonks ago.

 

Went back to ' school ' - twice - for two more bits of paper - done & dusted.

 

That makes 4 bits.

 

You're doing it wrong. 🤣

 

' The Last Laugh ' - that says it all. 

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OMG!!!  
I’ve got little kudo friends 🤣😂🤣😂🤣

 

Gunna throw me a Chameleon54 pity-party.  

YOU’RE ALL WELCOME. 

(@Countess, please bring your coffee machine)

Dom, you bring the scones.

I’ve got the grog and the fire bucket.

BYO chair 😎

 

Its gunna be a hot time in the old town tonight! 😉

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Scones - oh boy.

 

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It would seem that chameleon54 has an understanding on certain aspects of how the economy works and may have an unfair advantage over some others in this discussion. This is possibly due to hands-on experience, running is own business(s), hard work and in addition to an over-looking view, looking at things from the ground up as one does when they are working hard, running a business. Having something on paper as well, taking the time to learn and study in order to get that paper has obviously added to his already wide perspective.

 

Looking at how the guy thinks, his way of analyzing things obviously comes from experience I briefly mentioned, and in addition to that, it is backed up with something called GOFMAV (Good old fashioned morals and values) or GOFVAM (Good old fashioned values and morals). Now, he and I are going to disagree on certain issues and even though we probably share common belief in what a person's rights should be, there are possibly certain areas of various issues where we don't.

 

I've always wondered if what a person learns in life both practically and academically is shaped, helped along by the GOFVAM that they started out with, had instilled in them at an early age or their GOFVAM come about as a result of what they have learnt in life. With this fellow I suspect it's a combination of both. Now why do I think that? Well, one of the giveaways is his past posting which seems to be based on GOFVAM, and the other is what I have seen evident in these recent posts of his.

 

Take a man who has decided to take an injection which is still being tested. He's thought about it and decided for him that this is the best course which is based on current circumstances, future possibilities etc.. And yet, he finds the time to understand how other people view the situation. This is a situation where threats of job loss, inability to travel, access facilities to denied are arrogantly and disrespectfully waved in front of the nose of the person not wishing to take the "vaccine". Well, he could take the easy way out as others have done and say "Stop protesting and take it"! But he doesn't! I think it's not just the knowledge he has that the economy and many businesses will suffer in the long term. I think it's also that he understands what someone's rights are. Hard work can definitely build character!

 

So my analysis of chameleon54 is that he is not a tunnel thinker like some others in relation to this issue. However he is steadfast and immovable when it comes to morals and values. And with this, there's a great ability to be flexible when new info comes into the picture. And there's also that lateral-thinking-thing which goes beyond the analysis periphery. Even though it's not evident here in this forum, the view that chameleon54 has is more common than people realize. There are many people around who have taken the jab or are planning to, who still respect the decision and rights of others to make their own choice and say "NO"!  Obviously he media is not going to convey this info and there are certain people out-and-about who, due to undisclosed reasons would rather this info not be known.


With my view of the current situation I've decided on a different route which for me I believe is best. I'm not going to be "vaccinated"! I will as I have started to do is eliminate certain toxic foods (considered safe by many) from my diet, incorporate more exercise and study up more on healing and revitalizing foods and plants. And to those who take the "vaccine", I respect their decision.

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@4channel wrote:

 

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With my view of the current situation I've decided on a different route which for me I believe is best. I'm not going to be "vaccinated"! I will as I have started to do is eliminate certain toxic foods (considered safe by many) from my diet, incorporate more exercise and study up more on healing and revitalizing foods and plants. And to those who take the "vaccine", I respect their decision.

 

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