on โ23-11-2013 09:36 PM
I recently had an antique vase broken on its travels though Auspost, so I told the buyer to claim it through Auspost as it was insured, to my surprise the buyer contacted me and said that the item was not covered by auspost because it was fragile.. Now when I go to the Auspost website and follow their instructions on fragile packing I find ;
Fragile items (e.g. glass)
Reading the above on the website is encouraging people to send fragiles(misleading)
After adhering to these terms I get told its not covered and the insurance was werthless and that no fragile items are covered by Auspost. My concern is how many other people are getting the same treatment and how misleading "the website is on fragile items", "how many people are paying for insurance when they will not be covered at all?" This is clearly a scam and comming up to christmas, with alcohol, glass and pottery objects etc.....AUSPOST should state clearly what is covered and what's not covered by insurance etc. I didn't relize how lucky I have been, let alone as well as other sellers, after sending thousands of dollars worth of fragile items over the years, Clearly it has been dumb luck until now. The only clause I have found relating to damage etc is this clause;
You agree to indemnify Australia Post and its officers, agents and employees ("Indemnified Parties") in respect of any claim, action, damage, loss, liability, cost, charge, expense, outgoing or payment (including legal expenses (on a full indemnity basis) arising from or relating to:
(a) Your use of the Services, PostPay or the Website;
(b) a breach of these Terms of Use by You; or
(c) Your breach of any applicable law.
Not once do I see anything relating to fragile items in this clause and or on the website, the fact that "fragile items are not covered at all" has not been "DIRECTLY" mentioned. This is very concerning and after getting nowhere with auspost, I will chase this matter up with the correct authorities and have mentioned this just for the purpose of other sellers so they dont get ripped off paying for insurance on fragile items when they will not be covered for anyway....SHAME ON YOU AUSTRALIA POST...... as a result of this I will cease trading on ebay with fragiles such as antique pottery,glass,porcelain etc and that makes me sad because it was a fun hobby and I enjoyed finding those cool things for people over the years...
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โ24-11-2013 06:42 PM - edited โ24-11-2013 06:44 PM
actually, that is wrong.
They do not say that they will cover any goods, even if packed according to their instructions... they don't say that. They do say here are some tips to give you the best shot at your item arriving....
it's back there somewhere what they say...
but they have a clause that they won't cover items they don't believe could have been adequeately packaged.
no where do they say, if yopu package your fragile items according to our tips, we will give you insurance for that. No where.
They are tips, not requirements for a service to be provided
on โ24-11-2013 06:43 PM
of course you cant find it!!!.....and with that you can argue until you go blue in the face ......but you are wrong ......
now I just hope for your sake you find out the hard way.....
what bothers me is people are buying insurance for ""fragile items"" or items that could be ""deemed fragile"" thinking they are covered but they are not, this is misleading and the regular joe should know, who reads the terms and condition of auspost
thats my beaf and they should know If I were you I'd ring them up for your self....
โ24-11-2013 06:53 PM - edited โ24-11-2013 06:55 PM
They are covered if they are packed in accordance with AP instructions.
The terms and conditions of Extra Cover make it very clear when an article is accepted and extra cover purchased for that article, it is covered for loss or breakage - it is conditional on a number of things, including that is adequately packaged. The terms and conditions also indicate very clearly what articles are excluded - and the exclusions do not include fragile goods.
AP are governed by the same consumer and other relevant laws as any other entity when it comes to the terms and conditions of their services and insurances.
Whilst its "your thread" I will make posts that seek to stop the creation of discussion board furphys as they are very unfair to others who may be misled by them.
I have both sent and received fragile items by AP with extra cover. I would always purchase extra cover if the cost of the goods was more than I was prepared to lose if they were lost or broken in transit.
on โ24-11-2013 07:03 PM
once again fragile is fragile and you are clearly missing the point ......ring them tomorrow you will see.....
on โ24-11-2013 07:03 PM
you are wrong,
Nowhere do AP say that fragile items are protected if packed according to their instructions. In fact, they do not even give packing instructions, what they do give are "tips".
You are wrong about the Extra cover as well - it says if AP thinks they can be adequately packaged.
on โ24-11-2013 07:03 PM
reallyhardtofind wrote:.
what bothers me is people are buying insurance for ""fragile items"" or items that could be ""deemed fragile"" thinking they are covered but they are not, this is misleading and the regular joe should know, ...
reallyhardtofind who told you that fragile items or those deemed fragile were not covered by extra cover ?
Was it your buyer ?
on โ24-11-2013 07:06 PM
its in the terms and cionditions!
on โ24-11-2013 07:09 PM
on โ24-11-2013 07:15 PM
Im not an idiot and can read their jargin but I find this amussing now ....that some would ride on the coattails of ausposts policy when its misleading.....gezzzz... I with take this up with the right people .....just wanted to tell the commoner thats all......
โ24-11-2013 07:17 PM - edited โ24-11-2013 07:18 PM
@reallyhardtofind wrote:once again fragile is fragile and you are clearly missing the point ......ring them tomorrow you will see.....
.. lol ... ride on the coat tails ...
Australia consumer law is very clear about the requirements of terms and conditions - and"out" clauses are not acceptable if they are misused to limit liability.
As fragile items are sent around the country every day with and without extra cover - and AP promotes and accepts money for the same - as well as packages clearly marked fragile - that are lodged at Post Offices and extra cover paid.
AP would be hard pressed to explain under scrunity why fragile goods were not explicitly mentioned as excluded in their terms and conditions if thats what they meant, and they have in place blanket exclusion on those goods.
If fragile goods are well packaged in accordance with AP advice, including being able to withstand being dropped from a height of 1 metre they are covered.