on 05-10-2023 08:00 PM
So the reason Im writing this is I got a Vero warning and a takedown of listing on a hat I still swear is legitimate .
I was told next time I will Have a 3 day suspension from the site . It seems a very Drastic action considering that a counterfeiters whole business model is to fool people, including the experts , so what chance do I Have of determining the absolute Authenticity of an Item that I brought third hand . So anyway I was on the **bleep** ( Beers ) with my high class Barrister mate telling him my Storie and he was like " under Australian Law if you didn't know you were Breaking the law there's a probability you couldn't be prosecuted for it " So I was like but Ebay can Still ban Me ,' I saw the dollar signs flash across his eyes and he said that's not legal if you didn't know you were committing a crime , something called mens rea and he would love to test it .
Then he sent me an Email stating the next few segments :
The general rule of the English law is that no crime can be committed unless there is mens rea.
In Australia, the common law presumption of fault-based liability is also reflected in statute. Section 5.6 creates a rebuttable presumption that, to establish guilt, fault must be proven for each physical element of a offence.
In Australia offences are generally characterised
mens rea —they must prove a physical element (knowledge that a crime has been committed ) (actus reus) and a mental element (mens rea);
So are Vero bans a legal punishment for people who have no knowledge that have committed an infraction ........... just interested to hear opinions
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on 06-10-2023 03:05 PM
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on 06-10-2023 03:20 PM
I've needed Denis Denuto on a number of occasions.
Hard man to get a hold of for some reason.
on 06-10-2023 04:21 PM
I'm still trying to fathom ' Constitutionally legal '.
I certainly hope they have their act together on the 14th. lol
on 06-10-2023 06:26 PM
You normally deal with the company not ebay regarding Vero issues and you are supplied with their contact details. The company would then contact ebay clearing the Vero ban.
on 06-10-2023 07:09 PM
Specious argument. The OP is not the manufacturer and is clearly selling a secondhand hat. Which IS permitted in Australia.
on 06-10-2023 07:11 PM
Nah, Dennis Denuto will fix it.
06-10-2023 10:48 PM - edited 06-10-2023 10:52 PM
Hi dave, I dont think we know for certain if it was a new or second hand hat, if second hand the OP states he can not prove the item is authentic and vero still applies if reported as fake.
If new vero applies for any breach of trademarks, property rights etc.
on 06-10-2023 11:50 PM
OP states the hat is 'third hand'