How to protect myself against false claims

Hi Ebayers,

I have just had a $250 buy-it-now listing sold to a new member with 0 feedback from Poland.
I have never sent items there before and I am concerned about them having no feedback.

Any tips on what I can do to protect myself from fraudulent false claims of items not received?
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so you want me to publicly apologise for my point of view? i dont think so, thats like me saying i want you to publicly apologise for wanting me to apologise.

 

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ok, so now it gets confusung, as in one area if i dont meet ebays or sellers requirement its a no no, but if i do it and no transaction takes place its ok to do it, seems double standards doesnt it?

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ok, so now it gets confusung, as in one area if i dont meet ebays or sellers requirement its a no no, but if i do it and no transaction takes place its ok to do it, seems double standards doesnt it?


I don't really think you can be confused that easily and suspect you are just enjoying a bit of trolling, but I will try to explain one last time.

 

* It is against ebay policy to shill bid ie. Use one account to increase the price of an item owned by the same person on another id. at auction. No bids where placed on auction items, so completely irrelevant.

 

* It is against ebay policy to use a different ID to an already blocked ID in order to get around a sellers blocks - This did not occur, so irrelevant

 

* It is against ebay policy to try various means to get around a sellers blocks for that particular ID in use - this did not occur so irrelevant ( only a test was run to see if a block was working, no attempt was made to get around it )

 

* Purchasing an item is a two step process involving clicking the buy it now icon, FOLLOWED by the confirmation icon. There is some conjecture if purchasing your own items is OK or not on a BIN, but as no confirmation icon was clicked and no purchase made, ( nor intended )   it did not occur so again is irrelevant.

 

As you are aware ( and yes I have checked your past posts to confirm this ) I am the poster you have referred to as " failing the honesty test "  and breaching ebays policies. Big calls that should be able to be backed by facts.....( and legally defamatory if I feel that way inclined )

 

Spoiler
It may have been possible to defame some-one on the internet years ago, but courts now treat it the same as any other publication of defamatory remarks

 

As you have made those defamitory statements on this thread, at least have the decency to enlighten us as to which ebay policy I have breached with links to the appropriate policy, rather than just some garbled, maybe, guesses.

 

In the absence of any link to policy I would again hope that you would have the decency to at least apologise.

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@keythisin3 wrote:

ok, so now it gets confusung, as in one area if i dont meet ebays or sellers requirement its a no no, but if i do it and no transaction takes place its ok to do it, seems double standards doesnt it?


No.

 

The rule is a blocked bidder, or buyer who does not meet the sellers terms, is not permitted to buy an item.

 

Attempting to buy when knowing you'll be blocked from doing so, is not against any rules.

 

I mean, think about it this way...

 

Say you're walking down the street, and you come across a house that's having a party in their (unfenced) front yard. Looks pretty fun, there's a bouncy castle and all, so you ask for an invite. They say no, it's a family reunion and you're not a member of their family.

 

You go away, purchase one of these

 

Image result for disguise kit

 

Then go back and say, "hello, family, I have arrived at last, so good to see you all - let me in". 

 

Except, they've now built a fence and are ignoring you. You can't get in, you can't ever say you were at that party - you only get to look on wistfully, as your nose sweats under that plastic nose. If you climb over the fence and get into that party, now you're deliberately trespassing and you can be reported. the fence is the proverbial line - don't cross it, no harm, no foul. 

 

Now consider in the seller who used a disguise (alternative ID) to to attempt a purchase - they not only had the fake nose n' glasses on, but they built the preventative fence themselves. 

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if you think ive made a legally defamatory comment you can report that to the mods and even take me to court if you wish, ill look out for the summons in the mail shall i?

if you read my comment properly you will see that i did not reference you as " failing the honesty test" as you wrote, please if your going to try and intimidate me try reading my comments properly and responding accordingly.

fyi im not trolling, im genuinley interested in this topic, who would guess eh?

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Thanks Digital Ghost, im starting to understand, so if i go around with this current member id (keythisin3) and find out you have me blocked for what ever reason, or i just dont meet your buying requirements because i have a po box (example).

I cant use another one of my id's to then see if on the off chance i can get past your blocks or attempt to see if your blocks work on the other id of mine.

but in saying that i could just use my other id  against your account without me using my main id to even see if im blocked, there fore i would not be in violation, would that be a fair assumtion?

thankyou for your time so far with your answers, i really appreciate it. 

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@keythisin3 wrote:

if you think ive made a legally defamatory comment you can report that to the mods and even take me to court if you wish, ill look out for the summons in the mail shall i?

if you read my comment properly you will see that i did not reference you as " failing the honesty test" as you wrote, please if your going to try and intimidate me try reading my comments properly and responding accordingly.

fyi im not trolling, im genuinley interested in this topic, who would guess eh?


Post 33 - keythisin3 wrote

 

" it would boil down to it being an honesty trial of sorts, one one hand the seller would be in violation, but who in there right mind would report there own account "

 

As for being genuinely interested, there where a couple of pages devoted to answering your query on the first thread. If after reading those posts, you still dont get it I,m not sure anyone can help you further.

 

A much more likely reason for your posts is that you are simply trolling.

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i did write that, but you neglected to include the first couple of words i wrote, paraphrasing at its finest.

do you accually have a genuine comment about my question or are you to busy trying to accuse me of trolling?

see what i done there? i read your comment and replyed accordingly, odly enough i can reply without accusing anyone of living under a bridge, its called being respectfull  id suggest you take a dose of it.

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@keythisin3 wrote:

 

but in saying that i could just use my other id  against your account without me using my main id to even see if im blocked, there fore i would not be in violation, would that be a fair assumtion?

 


That is something I have pondered myself, and for that particular point, I don't really have a definite answer, as I think there's too many unknown elements involved. eg I often wonder if I might have ticked off some people with some of the posts I've made here over the years, enough to be on their BBL (and by wonder, I mean I'm certain I am on some BBLs, I just don't know how many, or which sellers decided to add me there). The thing is, I frequently use my selling ID to purchase, or at least I have in the last year or two because it would often get discount vouchers which this (my primary buying ID) didn't. 

 

And so, on occasion, I've wondered if I've ever bought from a seller who knew this ID and had it blocked, but had no clue what my selling ID was, therefore didn't have it blocked and didn't even have the tiniest inkling of a thought that when I bought, I was in fact me. (digital*ghost, that is, I am always me in essence. I think Smiley LOL ). 

 

I also wouldn't have any idea they had blocked this ID, because I never used it to attempt purchase. I have always thought (for this reason and others) if a seller blocks a member, all linked accounts should be automatically blocked as well, as that would eliminate this particlar grey area as well as help prevent buyers from deliberately circumventing blocks. If something like that did happen, in most cases both parties would be none the wiser, because the seller wouldn't know my personal details and therefore twig to who I am, and I would never have a clue they've got one of my IDs blocked. 

 

To take from the family reunion analogy, it would be like the buyer doesn't know they're wearing a disguise, and the seller doesn't even see a disguise, just a completely new / different person.

 

At best, it's a technical violation, but likely one without any consequences - it's not a deliberate violation of policy, and while ignorance (or, lack of knowledge) is rarely - if ever - an acceptable defence, there wouldn't be anything that instigates a "trial" (so to speak). If no one (excepting maybe eBay) has any knowledge a violation occurred, no one can or will do anything about it. eBay might have the opportunity to, if they decided to check for and react to such occurrences, but if there is one thing I am confident about, it's that they never would (they would only react to a report). 

 

The difference with stated terms, and automated blocks is that both parties are fully aware of them. (Realistically, of course, if they're terms written in the listing, much of the time only the seller is aware of them Smiley LOL ). 

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