on 12-07-2018 04:32 PM
The following link provides some very clear information on the new GST when buying from overseas. It's fairly short and to the point.
It makes clear that a 're-deliverer' (such as Pitney Bowes) is responsible for collecting the GST, not the original seller or site it was bought on. Re-delivers (forward services) don't have to register for the GST if they're under the $75K threshold, same as sellers and EDPs.
Using a re-deliverer
You are using a re-deliverer if you:
The re-deliverer will charge GST on the goods and for their services in bringing the goods to you, if they are registered or required to be registered.
The business that makes the original sale should not charge GST, as they are not sending the goods to Australia. This means that you should not pay GST twice.
It also makes clear that GST is payable on the item cost plus the delivery fee (postage).
If you buy something as a gift you still pay GST, same as you would if you go to a physical store in Australia and buy a gift for someone.
It says that if a site thinks it's likely that GST will be payable, the website should display a GST-inclusive price. If they're not sure if it'll apply or not, they have to say that extra tax may apply. On this ebay page: https://www.ebay.com.au/help/buying/paying-items/paying-tax-ebay-purchases?id=4771 ebay states that they do display this on listings. I checked and it's there - but it's hidden away down near the bottom on the payments tab where most people never look. Technically they've fulfilled their legal obligations but it's a bit of a joke!
This information about the "GST may apply" isn't on GSP listings, obviously because ebay isn't responsible for collecting the GST on the sale.
I couldn't find anything about not being able to charge for collecting the GST but it looks like Pitney Bowes are charging a fee for doing it. The forms they fill out for customs shouldn't be any different to before because I read on another page that nothing will have GST added to it when it comes through customs at the border, unless it's worth over $1K. All PB are doing that they weren't before is collecting the GST and sending it to the Australian govt.
I read a bit of other interesting information on other pages (from following the links) but can't remember it all now. I don't think it said anywhere that a seller (or re-deliverer) has to supply an itemised invoice. It only said the invoice will usually be GST-inclusive.
05-03-2019 06:52 PM - edited 05-03-2019 06:57 PM
GST on the shipping/postage component is payable
Quite a few people post on these boards with confusion or indignation about being charged GST on the shipping component of their low-value imported goods purchase.
To clarify - yes, we as the buyers must pay GST on the postage from overseas to Australia for our purchases.
❝When you purchase goods sourced from overseas, shipping and/or insurance costs form part of the price of the delivered goods on which GST is calculated.❞
If the seller sells to you directly, AND is required to be registered for GST, the seller collects the GST on the goods plus the shipping/postage, etc.
❝If you sell the goods directly (for example, through your own website) and you are registered or required to be registered for GST, you should charge GST on these sales unless they are not subject to GST under Australian law (known as GST-free or input taxed sales).
The GST on your sale will be 1/11th of the price the consumer pays. If the amount paid includes fees for shipping or insurance, these amounts typically form part of the price of the goods when calculating the GST.❞
(Bolding mine.)
If the seller sends the goods to a re-deliverer (freight forwarding company), then the seller does NOT collect GST from the buyer. Instead, the re-deliverer collects the GST on the lot, including the cost of the goods, plus the cost of shipping, fuel surcharge, repackaging costs, insurance, etc.
❝Special rules for re-deliverers calculating GST
If you are a re-deliverer, the GST you charge will be:
Example
Jia wants to purchase a coat for the equivalent of A$200 from Clancy's, a store in the United States. Clancy's does not ship its products to Australia.
Jia contacts Take-it-Home Co to help her bring the coat to Australia. Take-it-Home Co provides her with an address in the United States. Jia buys the coat from Clancy's, which ships the coat to this United States address. Take-it-Home Co then arranges for the coat to be shipped to Australia.
Take-it-Home Co is registered for GST and charges Jia A$44, including A$4 GST, for the services it provided to bring the goods to Australia. It also charges Jia A$20 in GST on the coat, which is 10% of the amount Jia paid to Clancy's. Take-it-Home Co returns A$24 in GST to the ATO.❞
If you purchase on eBay from an overseas seller, then you WILL pay GST on the cost of the goods plus the cost of shipping. eBay in that case, as the EDP (Electronic digital platform), eBay is considered to be the supplier, and under the legislation is responsible for collecting the GST.
❝An EDP is a service (such as online marketplace) through which you can buy goods from various merchants.
GST on low value imported goods sold through an online marketplace is generally charged by the EDP operator, as they are deemed to be the supplier.❞
There's an exception, though - and this has caused a great deal of confusion. It's not really addressed on the ATO's pages, even though the ATO do mention the use of customs brokers and transporters.
The exception is that eBay has an agreement with Pitney Bowes, to provide the Global Shipping Program, whereby a buyer in Australia who wants to buy an item from a seller on eBay who doesn't ship to Australia for instance CAN DO SO. If the seller is opted in to the GSP, then the buyer can buy the item. The GSP has its problems and issues, but it does at least make available some items that buyers in Australia could otherwise not purchase (unless the buyers used a re-deliverer/freight forwarder, of course).
The buyer is going to have two or three separate charges for the one purchase:
It's the third of those charges which causes the biggest bewilderment. PB's charge doesn't boil down to a simple formula of international postage (A) + any insurance cost or fuel surcharge etc (B) + GST on (A+B). No; PB appear to charge an administrative fee for collecting the GST and then to charge GST on the administrative fee as well. I seem to remember that k1ooo broke this down in one particular post, but I don't think I tagged the post. If I ever find it again, I SHALL tag it.
eBay collects the GST for the item plus domestic shipping, and sends that GST to the ATO.
PB collects the GST for the international shipping and associated costs, plus GST on the administrative costs for collecting this GST, and sends that portion of the GST to the ATO. The rest of the amount collected by PB remains with them.
(This is to the best of my knowledge. Pitney Bowes have not explicitly stated that this is what's happening, as far as I am aware. They could not charge an administrative cost for collecting GST if they were an Australian business, as that's expressly forbidden under the legislation for Australian businesses... but they are not an Australian business and presumably the ATO cannot forbid them to charge this additional fee.)
10-07-2019 05:42 PM - edited 10-07-2019 05:47 PM
Quoting from one of k1ooo's posts:
@k1ooo-slr-sales wrote:
[...] When the GSP is the shipping method then Pitney Bowes collects the GST as the freight forwarder.
The reason for this is that the eBay collection of GST is based on the item being sent to an Australian address. When the GSP is involved for USA items the item is sent to a USA address, meaning that it is PB that is addressing the item to an Aussie address.
While it is illegal for Australian businesses to charge for collecting GST, the same does not apply for overseas businesses. The import charge that PB charges includes the GST component for the item+postage, a ‘fee’ for collecting GST and processing documentation, and most frustrating of all (for me) they have to charge GST on their ‘fee’ for charging GST/documentation.
Also, from this post:
@k1ooo-slr-sales wrote:[...] you are confusing GST with Import Charges . . . they are two different things.
When buying from overseas you pay 10% GST on the cost of the item and shipping.
When buying from an overseas seller who uses the GSP (Pitney Bowes) shipping option then they charge you a fee to collect the GST and process all the paperwork like customs declarations etc. On top of this, they charge GST on the fee they charge.
Then, they bundle together the GST, GSP shipping and their fees and they call that an Import Charge.
On your item you paid $8.07 GST and $4:83 in other fees/charges associated with use of the GSP.
Pitney Bowes (PB) charge an import charge when Australian buyers purchase a low value item from an overseas seller selling through the Global Shipping Program (GSP) on eBay. I'm not sure that PB actually collect the GST for the item itself (plus GST on the domestic postage from the seller to the PB warehouse in Erlanger); I think it is eBay who collects this amount.
If I am correct, then we can break down the charges in this way:
Looking solely at the amount collected by the global shipping provider, according to eBay's International purchases and postage for buyers page, that consists of:
Matching up my list with eBay's list, Pitney Bowes (as the global shipping provider) collects:
This means that buyers must realise that when they purchase a low value imported item, it isn't a case of the new GST legislation making that item cost simply 10% more than the item price. The buyer should always take into account that the shipping cost will also incur 10% GST, and there may be admin/processing charges as well.
TOTAL PRICE FOR BUYERS PURCHASING LOW-VALUE IMPORTED GOODS
This applies to international purchases made by consumers in Australia rather than by businesses/sole traders in Australia purchasing for resale. Note that this is only applicable for purchases where the total price (the "customs value") is lower than AUD $1,000.
All GST amounts, irrespective of who collects them, are remitted to the ATO.
on 10-07-2019 05:56 PM
@countess
I haven't bought anything using GSP for many years.
My understanding of PB collecting the GST comes from anecdotes posted on these boards last year.
on 10-07-2019 06:39 PM
I am in something of a fog about it. eBay's help page says one thing, but what I glean from the ATO's page says another, and I think that the invoice of a buyer who's purchased using the GSP would be the best way to determine this!
(What you posted makes more sense to me, AND is in line with the information on the ATO's site... and it is solely eBay's page that makes me question and wonder.)
on 01-12-2019 02:34 PM
I don't mind a 10% gst being applied to sub $1000 purchases from overseas (though admittedly I'd rather it wasn't).
I do not like gst being applied to second hand goods (collectible books in particular!).
I strongly object to Pitney Bowes slapping on a further 10% or so for the privelege of charging GST just because they can.
It's not like these are things I can actually purchase these things locally, so it doesn't help Gerry Harvey (from whom I very likely would buy the items if his little company was in THAT business). Talk about blunt instrument.
on 01-12-2019 02:47 PM
GST has always been applied to secondhand goods if the seller is registered for GST. Why shouldn't the same apply to items from overses where ebay is deemed to be the seller so GST is mandatory?
Pitney Bowes has to apply the GST to their charges as they are providing a SERVICE.
Why does everyone keep blaming Gerry Harvey for the GST......he is not the only retailer who lobbied the government to implement it.
Anf Harvey Norman is not necessarily the cheapest for anything you want.
I always check them first when I need something but in more than 75% of cases I dont end up buying from them.
on 02-12-2019 07:51 PM
on 02-12-2019 09:21 PM
The interesting thing is that the majority of the Harvey Norman stores are franchises so Gerry gets his franchise fees no matter how much is sold by the franchisee.
There is a terrific computer franchisee in 3 of the HN stores near us.....he is quite happy to transfer between stores if necessary.
on 02-12-2019 09:44 PM
So did you actually read the title of this thread? Or any of the FACTS presented?
Not your objections, wishes, wants or conspiracy theories, but FACTS?
on 03-12-2019 10:54 AM
@lyndal1838 wrote:GST has always been applied to secondhand goods if the seller is registered for GST. Why shouldn't the same apply to items from overses where ebay is deemed to be the seller so GST is mandatory?
Ok, my thoughts on GST aside, if someone is a registered business then OK, GST. But if it's just "Everyday Susan" or "Everyday Thomas" selling some unwanted or not needed books then GST is very wrong.