I bought a jumper from the UK that cost me 5 pounds and Pitney Bowes charged me 15 pounds postage. I was a bit shocked, who are they and when did they take over from the Royal Mail?
As an expat from the UK, I occasionally like to buy stuff that I can't purchase easily in Aus but not anymore 😞
I have been a witness to bullying here, bullying and intimidation of newbies who come to talk about certain matters and after some unfair and some stupid remarks and mocking, they don't come back. That needs to stop and the few who do it here need to realise that they don't own these forums.
I think there is also bullying of long standing members too.
There is a thread that was bumped/resurrected just today that demonstrates this. A poster had waged quite a long campaign of derision and abuse towards a longstanding member and they were encouraged, supported and ‘cheered-on’ by others through the giving of kudos.
@4channel, I consider the encouragement of bullying to also be a form of bullying . . . . . don’t you think? In my view, it is a cowardly form of bullying because unless others click on the kudo count the identity of the bully in these instances goes unnoticed while their actions are there for all to see!
@4channel, further to my previous post, maybe what you perceive to be bullying is just an unbridled approach to things and the ‘bullies’ can be respected for their outspokenness?
@4channel, further to my previous post, maybe what you perceive to be bullying is just an unbridled approach to things and the ‘bullies’ can be respected for their outspokenness?
Hi again k1ooo, I have been around long enough to know the difference between "unbridled approach to things " and bullying. I'm talking about character assasination and the support for ad hominem attacks that the handful support each other with. I'm also talking about the bearing of false witness that they resort to on occasionally.
Look, you have said some things that I don't agree with, you're cantankerous on occasion as well and a couple of things you have said, well ... ... if we were in the same room (The way I felt at the time lol) , fists could have been flying. But I do not lump you in with that crew of bullies. So I know the difference.
What they do, I don't call being outspoken. I call it for what it is.
Character assassination has nothing to do with bullying. If it did, you'd be the number one bully here. You used to constantly belittle and attack a particular politician until enough people told you off and you realised it just wasn't acceptable here. I haven't seen anyone else assassinate anyone else's character like you have. In fact, even though occasionally someone might be told off for stupid, over the top rants, I've rarely seen anyone's character being assassinated. That's YOUR prerogative.
If you want to talk about character assassination, what about your constant accusations against Pitney Bowes? They're doing a job and are entitled to be paid for it, just as any person is entitled to be paid for what they do. Is it PB's fault that sellers choose to send items through them and not direct? Or are you saying that PB somehow force ebay to force sellers to use their service?
At the end of the day, buyers aren't forced to use them, yet you think it's okay to publicly slander them in your PB crusade. I'm pretty sure you've even said they're evil. How would you like it if someone called you evil just for expecting to be paid for the work you do? I think you'd definitely call that character assassination if it was aimed at you, yet you think it's okay to do it to them just because they're a company and they charge more than you want to pay. Yes, their service may be fairly expensive but they have wages to pay and all sorts of overheads as well.
Character assassination has nothing to do with bullying. If it did, you'd be the number one bully here. You used to constantly belittle and attack a particular politician until enough people told you off and you realised it just wasn't acceptable here. I haven't seen anyone else assassinate anyone else's character like you have. In fact, even though occasionally someone might be told off for stupid, over the top rants, I've rarely seen anyone's character being assassinated. That's YOUR prerogative.
The politician concerned. yes, I did refer to certain politician maybe about 6 times as a type of statue. I stopped that some time ago only because k1000 sales didn't like it. But what I said pales in comparison to what Simon Crean, Senator Bob Brown and that Latham (who I no longer can stand) have said. You're wrong on all counts.
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If you want to talk about character assassination, what about your constant accusations against Pitney Bowes? They're doing a job and are entitled to be paid for it, just as any person is entitled to be paid for what they do. Is it PB's fault that sellers choose to send items through them and not direct? Or are you saying that PB somehow force ebay to force sellers to use their service?
Please note the title of this thread.Then please do a search within the ebay.com.au message board archives. Also please look at the snippet below by other people.
EBAY - pre custom SCAM/ RIP OFF via Pitney Bowes, Inc November 11, 2013 · since PBI opens and repacks your items - remove protection foil etc. to make it lighter and saves them postage - be careful to buy breakable items off sellers using them as shipping method - Ebay should clearly mark the program on their side ! for me ebay shot themselves in the foot ! https://www.facebook.com/E.b.a.yripoff/
eBay/Paypal Scam - Gearslutz
It's still a scam because Pitney Bowes are getting $31 for an item that actually costs $12.75 to ship and they are giving the buyer and the seller ...
At the end of the day, buyers aren't forced to use them, yet you think it's okay to publicly slander them in your PB crusade. I'm pretty sure you've even said they're evil. How would you like it if someone called you evil just for expecting to be paid for the work you do? I think you'd definitely call that character assassination if it was aimed at you, yet you think it's okay to do it to them just because they're a company and they charge more than you want to pay. Yes, their service may be fairly expensive but they have wages to pay and all sorts of overheads as well.
You better go back and find where I said that they were evil.
I've never bought through the GSP but from what I've read in the forums, if PB's postage charges are excessive it's often due to the sellers not putting weights/sizes in the listing. The system is automated and PB have absolutely no control over what sellers include or don't include in the listing so why should PB be vilified for something that's not their fault, yet this is what repeatedly happens.
Is it the seller's fault because they didn't include the weight/size? Most of them would be unaware that they need to include such details, but sellers also get called all sorts of names for refusing to send any other way than the GSP. Some people think sellers should put their livelihood at risk and agree to subject themselves to scammers just because they want to add to their collections of luxury items.
Why did ebay bring in the GSP in the first place? Was it because some executive was pals with someone at PB and thought it'd be a good little money-spinner? No, it was implemented because more and more sellers were refusing to post overseas and ebay (and sellers) were losing sales. The only way to get sellers to agree to post overseas again was to bring in a scheme that protected them and reduced their risks.
PB isn't the only way to buy items that are listed under the GSP. There are plenty of other forwarding companies but we don't seem to hear about how evil they are, do we? If they're just as expensive as PB, how come they aren't targeted with the same vitriole as PB? If they're cheaper than PB, why don't people just use them instead of PB, in the same way as one might choose to shop at the cheapest supermarket rather than deliberately shopping at the dearest one and then complaining about it?
