Bye bye Tony, Tony goodbye

[martinw-48]

Woo Hoo

[chameleon54]

Its not a Rubber man the ALP needs right now, its a Rubber woman. Their are at least two woman on the current ALP shadow cabinet who are more highly skilled and intelligent than any of the union dominated, bone head men. Its time to give female leadership another run. 

[not_for_sale2025]

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@gutterpunkz05 wrote:

Bye Bye  BILL...............................woo hoo

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At least now that Bills gone ( or has he ??? ) Labor can now elect some-one with a bit of substance to provide a decent opposition. Having just lost the unlosable election, the biggest mistake Labor could make now,  is to install Albo as leader. Nice bloke, but not PM material.

If Labor can take one thing away from this devestating election loss it is that one of the things voters are votong for is a Prime Minister to represent us on the international stage, not just a bumbling, " good bloke "

Bill Shorton was one of the main reasons Labor lost so badly but has pledged to stay on in parliment. He also has a long record of undermining and knifing past Labor leaders in the back.. The worst result for Labor and the nation would be if he sits there white anting the new leader and becomes the new Tony Abbott. With his past record and untrustworthy nature, this is a frightningly real possibility.

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IMO this election outcome was largely due to the reason we have been given for years - the Australian people did not trust Bill Shorten. He was the mastermind behind the back stabbing coups that ousted Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd. I don't think the people have forgotten or forgiven him and his cronies for this. In particular Julia Gillard was not given a fair go. It was disgusting how she was judged by her dress, or shoes, and not by her political skills. Again IMO the best thing the Labor Party could do now is vote a female in as party leader. Make amends, start afresh and build a strong party to develop the policies Shorten spoke about during the election campaign.

[chameleon54]

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@not_for_sale2025 wrote:

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@chameleon54 wrote:

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@gutterpunkz05 wrote:

Bye Bye  BILL...............................woo hoo

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At least now that Bills gone ( or has he ??? ) Labor can now elect some-one with a bit of substance to provide a decent opposition. Having just lost the unlosable election, the biggest mistake Labor could make now,  is to install Albo as leader. Nice bloke, but not PM material.

If Labor can take one thing away from this devestating election loss it is that one of the things voters are votong for is a Prime Minister to represent us on the international stage, not just a bumbling, " good bloke "

Bill Shorton was one of the main reasons Labor lost so badly but has pledged to stay on in parliment. He also has a long record of undermining and knifing past Labor leaders in the back.. The worst result for Labor and the nation would be if he sits there white anting the new leader and becomes the new Tony Abbott. With his past record and untrustworthy nature, this is a frightningly real possibility.

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IMO this election outcome was largely due to the reason we have been given for years - the Australian people did not trust Bill Shorten. He was the mastermind behind the back stabbing coups that ousted Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd. I don't think the people have forgotten or forgiven him and his cronies for this. In particular Julia Gillard was not given a fair go. It was disgusting how she was judged by her dress, or shoes, and not by her political skills. Again IMO the best thing the Labor Party could do now is vote a female in as party leader. Make amends, start afresh and build a strong party to develop the policies Shorten spoke about during the election campaign.

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Couldnt agree more with most of your post. I wrote a post 9-10 months ago when Bill Shorten was in trouble saying that if Labor shirked getting rid of him then, they put their election prospects in peril. As usual I copped a fair bit of stick for daring to make the suggestion, but I suspect many in the Labor party regret not axing him when they had the chance. Had Labor gone to the election with Tanya Plebersick as leader they may well be drinking champas today.

As for Gillard, I genuinely had high hopes for her. She had been competent as a union rep and Labor member and I thought she might make a suitable PM. Unfortuntely she became a complete puppet to the union heavyweights who sit in the dark rooms behind closed doors and was not shown the respect either her or the office of PM deserved by both the media, her own party and the some within the LNP opposition.

The only hope is that lessons have been learned and the next female party leader is treated much better.

On the question of the policies Labor took to this election, some of its policies where the right policies at the wrong time ( removing nergative gearing on established rental properties ) and others where simply morally wrong. The removal of claims for franking credits for self funded retirees was a classic example of envy politics and recieved the welcome it deserved. ( and was one of the reasons Labor lost ) 

I suspect that after another three years of LNP government, we are going to need a Labor government to restore some social equity to our society. I truly hope Labor can retain the experienced shadow cabinet they have, unite behind a quality leader and come out with some responsible policies to assist those at the bottom of our economy without resorting to envy politics. If they can do all of this, the next election result will be very different.

[lyhargr_0]

Least Palmer didnt waste his 80 million  ...... he got what he wanted, a Liberal government

[davidc4430]

Election 2019: Clive Palmer says Scott Morrison can thank UAP's anti-Labor ads for result

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-19/election-2019-clive-palmer-says-uap-ads-gave-coalition-win/11...

[twyngwyn]

[womblewa]

When Bob Hawke died Bill Shorten spoke only of Hawke himself and his second wife Blanche.

It took Morrison to acknowledge the contribution of Hazel Hawke to Bob's political life for so many years. 

For a man who has so much to say about narrowing the gender gap and the equality of women, I think that was poor of Bill Shorten to not also pay tribute to Hazel, given how much support she offered Bob in earlier times.  He could've done that without diminishing Bob's second wife. 

I had voted already, but if I had not, as a swinging voter that would have had me thinking a bit harder about whether I wanted to vote for Shorten if I was leaning that way. 

[davidc4430]

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@womblewa wrote:

When Bob Hawke died Bill Shorten spoke only of Hawke himself and his second wife Blanche.

It took Morrison to acknowledge the contribution of Hazel Hawke to Bob's political life for so many years. 

For a man who has so much to say about narrowing the gender gap and the equality of women, I think that was poor of Bill Shorten to not also pay tribute to Hazel, given how much support she offered Bob in earlier times.  He could've done that without diminishing Bob's second wife. 

I had voted already, but if I had not, as a swinging voter that would have had me thinking a bit harder about whether I wanted to vote for Shorten if I was leaning that way. 

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let me get this right, you would consider not voting for shorten because he didnt praise hazel hawke?

you would base your vote on a very monor error by a guy under huge pressure of an election campaign?

not that his figures on what he was planing to do with the economy didnt add up but because he didnt say 'dont forget hazel who stood by bob all those years'

[lyndal1838]

That is the whole point of swinging voters David.

The slightest thing can make a difference in who they vote for.

Which is worse.....a swinging voter who can be turned around in the last hours of electioneering or a died in the wool Labor/Liberal voter who will not change their vote....ever....no matter what the parties have on offer?

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I suspect the highjacking of the media by the left ( and the ABC & The Project is a blatant example )  is one of the reasons the opinion polls got it so wrong. Those on the left side of politics have become rabid in shutting down debate, ( unless it favours their side.)  and anyone who dares to challenge the left ideaology is torn to shreds in both the established and social media.  The result is most people just quietly keep their opinions and intentions to themselves............Until polling day.

I guess you have never never ever read The Dairy Telegraph, Courier Mail, The Australian, watched Sky channel or listened to Alan Jones and Ray Hadley on Macquarie  Radio