on 13-03-2020 07:07 AM
Coronavirus update: Formula One Grand Prix called off, Trump announces travel ban, Tom Hanks tests positive
on 25-08-2020 11:44 AM
world's first confirmed case of reinfection:
on 25-08-2020 12:43 PM
Victorian coronavirus cases up by 148 with eight lives lost
see, if ya do as ya told things get better karens!
on 25-08-2020 02:13 PM
@chameleon54 wrote:
@rogevibe wrote:
@davewil1964 wrote:
@rogevibe wrote:been talk of letting in guest workers in the thousands for the harvest trail - international fly in fly out - not housers from outer Sydney ...
No mention of testing or 14 day isolation - seems the consensus is that these workers will be isolated enough - however how do they safely transit , how will local supervision remain uncontaminated ?
How long can covid survive if frozen ?
If this is decided , who will be clearly responsible for any outbreak ?
Is 4 nationally local long term unemployed working 4 hour per day shifts better than 1 imported
"experienced and hardened worker" from a relatively pandemic region regarding infection risks to the wider long suffering community ?
Is 1 imported worker prepared to do the work, for the pittance offered, better than 4 local long term unemployed who won't do the work, is the question
I am thinking single long term unemployed , they could be coaxed into picking work if suburban standard accommodation was provided , piecemeal picking work earnings are not dole deducted ( single job seeker is 60% under the poverty line) , free transport, civilised start of work time, shifts of 4 hours max. effective protective gear provided,
Something unsettling about a country that can not provide it's own required workforce - like a beached whale seemingly enjoying the sunshine.
One of my kids worked in the horticultural industry doing the same work as backpackers around 18 months ago. Sure the hours where long but he was clearing over $1000 per week which was reasonable money for a teenager with no previous experience.
Australians have just become too soft and mollycoddled. To few know how to work hard any more. Heaven help us if we ever had to go to war.
If there is any good to come out of COVID it might be that it cleans out some of fluff and fat built into our labour and social systems. Too many people sitting in padded chairs, drinking coffees and watching the clock all day and too few actually doing anything meaningful or constructive.
That's why our living standards and wages have been stagnating for the last decade. Unless Australians can start being a bit more industrious, self reliant and entrepreneurial the country will continue to stagnate and fall behind other more progressive and resourceful nations.
Needs to be instigated without upsetting the status quo - leaving not a ripple of alarm from established vested interests , preferably win/win
As for a newbie earning $1,000 per week piecemeal - not likely orange picking - new guy not likely to sustain picking 4 bins - a grand total of $100 per day then c/link screws the hapless at 60% when over a certain amount earned per fortnight, after tax is taken out (although is optional)
Is why to encourage national locals, long term unemployed ( over 3 months) to suffer privations , danger , ongoing pain , social dislocation, dawn time starts, metabolic disruptions, fending off pneumonia from damp early mornings, heat stress blah blah
I would advocate that such work not effect current wage support - or change from jobseeker to harvest supplement
Nominal realistic $500 per week plus $280 odd jobseeker = slightly over the minimal wage
Earning more is plausible
on 25-08-2020 02:50 PM
@chameleon54 wrote:
@rogevibe wrote:
@davewil1964 wrote:
@rogevibe wrote:been talk of letting in guest workers in the thousands for the harvest trail - international fly in fly out - not housers from outer Sydney ...
No mention of testing or 14 day isolation - seems the consensus is that these workers will be isolated enough - however how do they safely transit , how will local supervision remain uncontaminated ?
How long can covid survive if frozen ?
If this is decided , who will be clearly responsible for any outbreak ?
Is 4 nationally local long term unemployed working 4 hour per day shifts better than 1 imported
"experienced and hardened worker" from a relatively pandemic region regarding infection risks to the wider long suffering community ?
Is 1 imported worker prepared to do the work, for the pittance offered, better than 4 local long term unemployed who won't do the work, is the question
I am thinking single long term unemployed , they could be coaxed into picking work if suburban standard accommodation was provided , piecemeal picking work earnings are not dole deducted ( single job seeker is 60% under the poverty line) , free transport, civilised start of work time, shifts of 4 hours max. effective protective gear provided,
Something unsettling about a country that can not provide it's own required workforce - like a beached whale seemingly enjoying the sunshine.
One of my kids worked in the horticultural industry doing the same work as backpackers around 18 months ago. Sure the hours where long but he was clearing over $1000 per week which was reasonable money for a teenager with no previous experience.
Australians have just become too soft and mollycoddled. To few know how to work hard any more. Heaven help us if we ever had to go to war.
If there is any good to come out of COVID it might be that it cleans out some of fluff and fat built into our labour and social systems. Too many people sitting in padded chairs, drinking coffees and watching the clock all day and too few actually doing anything meaningful or constructive.
That's why our living standards and wages have been stagnating for the last decade. Unless Australians can start being a bit more industrious, self reliant and entrepreneurial the country will continue to stagnate and fall behind other more progressive and resourceful nations.
Well done at less than $20 an hour.
on 25-08-2020 03:08 PM
Have to add - ' clearing ' - that means after tax - even better done. lol
on 25-08-2020 07:15 PM
Yay for WA - should be more of it -
on 25-08-2020 07:47 PM
@imastawka wrote:Yay for WA - should be more of it -
It's about time that real penalties were applied. Fines are all well and good, but I'll warrant the bulk of people attracting fines, like multi-millionaire boat owners, can either afford the fines or don't have the readies to pay them.
Gaol would certainly act as a general deterent.
on 25-08-2020 08:46 PM
About time commonsense prevailed:
on 25-08-2020 08:54 PM
@go-tazz wrote:About time commonsense prevailed:
That will be when Queensland acknowledge that the ACT, with no cases in 6 weeks, is not liable for ONE person transitting through Canberra on their way from Victoria to Queensland.
I realise there is an election coming up and the Qld government is focussed on reelection so I don't expect commonsense to apply before then.
Or after, if the current government is reelected.
on 25-08-2020 10:39 PM
@go-tazz wrote:About time commonsense prevailed:
Border towns might have been better managed under Victorian health jurisdiction and hard border some km's west/north as shopping and many jobs tends to be on the Victorian side and so messy to manage.
This way Victoria could be hermetically sealed in - except for interstate truck drivers... who of course are tested regularly