Four'n Twenty Pies are now halal

[ufo_investigations]

I went to 7-Eleven tonight to get a bite to eat, grabbed a Four'n Twenty pie and gosh it was halal.

Traitors!  How can they do this?

I put it back in the warmer then drove to a local Italian restaurant and we had pasta carbonara.

[*lady*godiva*]

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@j-au976 wrote:

it's not inclusion. it's us bowing down to pre-middle age ideas.

inclusion would be ...something else.

ah well never mind. just go ahead with it and be a dhimmi. and pay your kuffar tax.

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Ok, interesting perspective. The corollary of which is that by inclusion of those with what "we" perceive to be "pre-middle aged ideas" into "our" society, may help them to see "the errors of their ways" and adapt and evolve their beliefs and practises to ideals accepted by "our" society. Or being completely politically incorrect, they might just come to see that stonings, beheadings and all the other things we dislike about the Muslim religion, really aren't all that great.

I am confused about what that has to do with food labelled as Halal though.

I read somewhere today that Australia is the leading country in international education about humane animal handling procedures. That has to be a good thing, isn't it? Some places might not follow our instructions, but surely some must learn and change their approaches and attitudes.

[cherry*135]

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@katydidthat wrote:
Italian restaurants may use my particular brand of parmesan ... which is Halal approved.

Now, I'm no expert ... on Halal rules OR the production of parmesan cheese ... but would the cheese have to be made from milk from cows that had been slaughtered the "right" way?

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Something to do with animal rennet used to make cheese.. and how the animal was slaughtered.

Milk comes from live cows.

Some cheese has 'artificial' (non animal rennet) in it now, suitable for vegeterians.

[j-au976]

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@*lady*godiva* wrote:

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@j-au976 wrote:

it's not inclusion. it's us bowing down to pre-middle age ideas.

inclusion would be ...something else.

ah well never mind. just go ahead with it and be a dhimmi. and pay your kuffar tax.

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Ok, interesting perspective. The corollary of which is that by inclusion of those with what "we" perceive to be "pre-middle aged ideas" into "our" society, may help them to see "the errors of their ways" and adapt and evolve their beliefs and practises to ideals accepted by "our" society. Or being completely politically incorrect, they might just come to see that stonings, beheadings and all the other things we dislike about the Muslim religion, really aren't all that great.

I am confused about what that has to do with food labelled as Halal though.

I read somewhere today that Australia is the leading country in international education about humane animal handling procedures. That has to be a good thing, isn't it? Some places might not follow our instructions, but surely some must learn and change their approaches and attitudes.

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HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA MWAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAA!!!!

the problem with westerners is that they think that everyone else is as reasonable and open to reason with as they are.

that is not so.

it is a one way street.

westerners being tolerant, understanding and willing to accomodate other ideas.

whereas the pre-middle age cultures do not act that way.

there are 3 choices for you:

1) submit (become a muslim)

2) die (because you are an infidel refusing to submit)

3) pay tax to be allowed to follow a different faith

we are talking 3) here. 

[pct001wine]

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@katydidthat wrote:
LOLOL, PCT, can't imagine what I was thinking there ...

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Sorry katy, couldnt help myself.   No malice intended.

[rabbitearbandicoot]

"In response, the AFIC provided us with verbal and written assurances that it is not engaged in unlawful activities."

you expected them to tell you if they are???

[cherry*135]

[*lady*godiva*]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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@*lady*godiva* wrote:

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

No-one is bullying you or the OP.

WE are being bullied by being subjected to threads on the same subject over and over again.

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This post has bothered me for a while now.

Some would say the same thing about all the political threads.

Isn't it good to discuss issues such as these and increase awareness? Halal is quite a new concept for a lot of people. Because it is new, there are a lot of misconceptions and unknowns. Discussion may not change everyones' minds one way or the other, but for some it must lead to education on the topic and eventual acceptance. If people don't discuss what concerns them, it will likely always remain "the big scary monster under the bed" to be afraid of, and in the case of Muslims, a slower inclusion of them and their culture into the Australian landscape.

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I don't mind discussing halal (or politics) godiva. Actually I enjoy it.

But I object to the boards being bombarded with untruths all in the name of creating myths in order to make criticism of Islam appear legitimate.

The 'halal funds terrorism' garbage that has been spouted on this thread by numerous people is a good example.

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I understand.

But take a step back and see it from "their" perspective.

They post these things because they truly believe what they write. I doubt they are being paid to do so, or gain any financial incentive to do so. I doubt they are purposely creating or perpetuating myths.

Isn't it better that they do disclose their fears and opinions and potentially benefit from the knowlege and contributions of others whose perspectives they may not otherwise have an opportunity to be exposed?

I have learned so much about Halal today, from this thread and the personal research it has encouraged (and I also found out the name of the red juice on trays of dead meat LOL), so even if the recurrence of such threads bores, offends or fails to educate some people, it has had a positive impact on at least one person (me) who hadn't previously given much thought to the topic at all.

By writing "The 'halal funds terrorism' mantra/opinion, it has given others the opportunity to dissipate those beliefs. It is when they remain unadressed and unchallenged that they perpetuate. Of course, I am sure that some funds from somewhere along the Halal production/supply chain fall into the hands of terrorists, drug addicts and other criminal nomenclature, to believe otherwise would be foolish. But it might be that it is exposed that not all the funds are channeled in those directions, just like the point that not all Italian businesses support the Maffia, or that not all funds derived through Catholicism are used to defend pedophiles.

[*lady*godiva*]

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@am*3 wrote:

You would need to read a few of ufo's posts and the threads he has started to get the whole picture.

"Halal is quite a new concept for a lot of people. Because it is new"

No it's not new. Halal labels have been used on food products in Australia for nearly 5 years.

What is 'new' in the last couple of years are Facebook pages & websites (Aust Defence League, ADL) that are anti-Muslim.. declaring halal labels must go or be boycotted and the claim the halal labels is a religious tax and funds terrorism.

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5 years is pretty new in the grand scheme of things.

My point is that these boards are being read by not just a few regular members who memorise and absorb every single thread and post. I have noticed a few halal threads in the past, but it hasn't been until today that I was interested enough to give any consideration to the topic.

Without UFO's persistence and the contribution of others, I for one would still be as clueless about it all as I was a week ago. I have already disclosed that i have subconsciously avoided Halal products in the past, today I learned many valuable lessons and that my prior aversion appears to be unfounded and that I now have no personal justifications for doing so.

Isn't that a good thing?

[*lady*godiva*]

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@katydidthat wrote:
Italian restaurants may use my particular brand of parmesan ... which is Halal approved.

Now, I'm no expert ... on Halal rules OR the production of parmesan cheese ... but would the cheese have to be made from milk from cows that had been slaughtered the "right" way?

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Not sure. I think they may get away with it if the cows wear burqas?

I am pretty sure that cheese is made from live cows/animals, I don't think that how they are eventually slaughtered is a consideration for cheese production, is it? I'm leaning towards some other factors that influence their product whist they are alive.

[cherry*135]

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@*lady*godiva* wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

You would need to read a few of ufo's posts and the threads he has started to get the whole picture.

"Halal is quite a new concept for a lot of people. Because it is new"

No it's not new. Halal labels have been used on food products in Australia for nearly 5 years.

What is 'new' in the last couple of years are Facebook pages & websites (Aust Defence League, ADL) that are anti-Muslim.. declaring halal labels must go or be boycotted and the claim the halal labels is a religious tax and funds terrorism.

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5 years is pretty new in the grand scheme of things.

My point is that these boards are being read by not just a few regular members who memorise and absorb every single thread and post. I have noticed a few halal threads in the past, but it hasn't been until today that I was interested enough to give any consideration to the topic.

Without UFO's persistence and the contribution of others, I for one would still be as clueless about it all as I was a week ago. I have already disclosed that i have subconsciously avoided Halal products in the past, today I learned many valuable lessons and that my prior aversion appears to be unfounded and that I now have no personal justifications for doing so.

Isn't that a good thing?

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A further post of mine was about Bega Cheese - halal certified in 1996.

Yes, but many are easily influenced by the anti-Muslim groups who spread propaganda and mistruths..that is where the problem lies. There is some terrible stuff published out there from these groups (bigotted, racist, intolerant) that I couldn't  re post here because it would contravene posting rules.

I don't have any problem with anyone who decides to research and find out what these halal labels are all about and decide for themselves whether they will buy food products that have these labels.

I do have a problem with those that parrot what they have read from the anti Muslim group sites (which are copied and spread around social media, by emails and on forums like this) without even bothering to check if it is accurate... e.g. the halal labels are a  religious tax, the money is used to fund terrorists yada yada. Their hate covers more than just halal labels, it is anti-Muslim. 

Also consumers are encouraged (by the anti-Muslim groups)  to target businesses that have halal certification for their products.. by posting abusive messges on the businesses facebook pages etc.