Police charge man who painted over George Michael

[davidc4430]

NSW Police charge man who painted over George Michael mural in Sydney's inner west

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-19/nsw-police-charge-man-after-he-paints-over-george-michael-mura...

[davidc4430]

Malcoms answer to his problems

[domino-710]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

best fallback position when in a corner, its.....

THE LABOR PARTYS FAULT!

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Is that a quote.

And where was it said.

[tezza2844]

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chameleon54 expressed:

UUMMMM ....Yes I do believe in the views expressed in that post and have mentioned all of those concepts in other forum posts recently.. And whats more, I came to those conclusions all by myself without being told what to think by some group of PC bosses or social pressures from peers.

You may not agree with my views and thats OK. That is what genuine discussion and debate is all about. Its even probable that many of the leftists ideals and policies you embrace will become reality over time. Unfortunately, while some may actually work, many will eventually prove to be very damaging to Australian society.

History is littered with the corpses of nations that have experimented with left wing, socialist policy and most of the nations currently under strict socialist / marxist governments are ruled by dictatorships who have scant regard for the "little people" or their basic human rights. It is unfortunate that socialist, politically correct institutions have a habit of stifling debate, censoring free speech and denigrating and persacuting those who dare to question the merits of the autocratic PC ideology.

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Good grief, you do believe all you write. In a earlier you posting somewhere stated that you had been involved in counselling work, well perhaps it may be an good idea to sit in front of a mirror and discuss with yourself(forcefully) about stereotyping.  I realise that you think that because I don't believe in all your assertions/views /beliefs to a tee  I, or anyone else like myself must be a leftie.  I have a unreasonable open mind regarding politics, I have never been a member or associate of any political  or union group  and  i don't have any allianced to any religious beliefs/teacheings .  Now that be unlike yourself but  I just can't help that and I can live with that without labelling others lefties or righties for not agreeing to my opions.

[chameleon54]

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@tezza2844 wrote:

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chameleon54 expressed:

UUMMMM ....Yes I do believe in the views expressed in that post and have mentioned all of those concepts in other forum posts recently.. And whats more, I came to those conclusions all by myself without being told what to think by some group of PC bosses or social pressures from peers.

You may not agree with my views and thats OK. That is what genuine discussion and debate is all about. Its even probable that many of the leftists ideals and policies you embrace will become reality over time. Unfortunately, while some may actually work, many will eventually prove to be very damaging to Australian society.

History is littered with the corpses of nations that have experimented with left wing, socialist policy and most of the nations currently under strict socialist / marxist governments are ruled by dictatorships who have scant regard for the "little people" or their basic human rights. It is unfortunate that socialist, politically correct institutions have a habit of stifling debate, censoring free speech and denigrating and persacuting those who dare to question the merits of the autocratic PC ideology.

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Good grief, you do believe all you write. In a earlier you posting somewhere stated that you had been involved in counselling work, well perhaps it may be an good idea to sit in front of a mirror and discuss with yourself(forcefully) about stereotyping.  I realise that you think that because I don't believe in all your assertions/views /beliefs to a tee  I, or anyone else like myself must be a leftie.  I have a unreasonable open mind regarding politics, I have never been a member or associate of any political  or union group  and  i don't have any allianced to any religious beliefs/teacheings .  Now that be unlike yourself but  I just can't help that and I can live with that without labelling others lefties or righties for not agreeing to my opions.

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Sorry Tezza, As much as I have enjoyed our little chat, I have parcels to pack and mail before the post office shuts.   Like always, I,m happy to agree to disagree. .....

[tezza2844]

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chameleon54 wrote among other things and I can't resist replying: 

MALCOLM TURNBULL - Genuinly in the job for the right reasons. As a political progressive with more social concience than many in his party, he has been hamstrung by the hardline right within the Liberals. He has had to sell out his own personal ideals on the alter of political expediency. This has made him fairly ineffectaul. Pity really as he has some good ideas and values that we really need at the moment . Had Labor been willing to work more collabritivly with him for the benefit of the country, instead of their own personal political ambitions, we all would have been much better off.  EXTREME ????

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And it's all his own work.

Also hilariously

"Had Labor been willing to work more collabritivly with him for the benefit of the country, instead of their own personal political ambitions, we all would have been much better off."

Just because he is so Inept, incompetent, inexpert, clumsy, ham-fisted, useless, hopeless, bungling as a leader of a outdated, ineffective dying Government, you are now demanding that Shorten and the Labor Party (who you are fore ever belittling)  come to his aid and get him out of trouble.

[johcaschro]

Maybe it's that the Australian voters are becoming more politically aware because of the manifest ineptness of our politicians and their all too obvious pursuit of personal gain ahead of real improvements and gains for Australia and its people.

We are beginning to wake up and to notice that right now, there's not one single Australian politician who can be trusted to put on the muzzle, not feed at the trough, but get on with acting in the best interests of their electorate as a whole.

We don't trust any of them. We view them all as so many self-interested shonks who will say anything to get votes, meanwhile acting in  a way to suck the most they can during the short time they are in office and often with an eye on their future employment prospects.

Any politician who sacrifices his or her own personal ideals on the altar of political expediency, is always going to present as a false-speaking, untrustworthy, trough-snurfler who is not worthy of anyone's vote. (unless you're a multinational corporate or maybe even a fracker or a coal miner).

Our politicians, as a class, are a national disgrace and a national embarrassment.

[not_for_sale2024]

On the day after the SSM vote results (I think it was), I heard a politician speak on ABC radio. A high percentage of the people in his electorate voted Yes. He said, despite his personal opinion on SSM, that he believed it was his responsibility to represent the views of the majority in his electorate and would actively work to get legislation passed ASAP. I suspect he was opposed to SSM but was going to put aside his own personal ideals in the interests of his electorate. He impressed me, even though I know it was the politically smart thing to do say.

[johcaschro]

In other words, he wasn't going to arouse the ire of his electorate and risk being voted out of office?

It's a sort of damned if you do and damned if you don't position to be in.

I have heard of other politicians who, despite the majority Yes vote in their own electorate, will still be voting No in Parliament.

It's really tough to be an honest politician these days (and maybe it's always been this way) when there are vested interests offering big donations and/or promises of seats on companies' boards after political life.

[not_for_sale2024]

I'm sure not wanting to arouse the ire of his electorate was part of it. He was not a fool. But he also came across as genuinely believing his role was to represent the view of the people. That in itself is pretty rare IMO.

[johcaschro]

"But he also came across as genuinely believing his role was to represent the view of the people."

That's a political skill. To be able to convince the voter that it is they who are being represented. I always say that we should listen to what politicians say they stand for but then to compare that with what they actually do; what they vote for.

A good example of this is Nick Xenophon who very often votes the LNP party position while claiming to be an independant.

Another example might be the strange solidarity to the LNP shown by the Labor party when we sent our troops to war in Iraq and Afghanistan. I think that most of them are pure out-and-out self-interested opportunists, chasing votes while the country crumbles around them.