Reposted from Facebook with permission from Steffen Pederson.
"The fact is, Climate change is real! Nobody can argue against that fact. Nobody actually does!
So what's the debate?
'Climate Change Deniers', as alarmists like to call us, are people that believe the climate is what it is. It has changed for 100's of millions of years, it will change for 100's of millions more!
'Climate Change Alarmists' as us deniers like to call them, are people that believe Man is the reason the climate is changing. Man has caused it, Man can stop it!
This is my Rant so this will be based solely on my view and opinion from what I have learned or at least think I have learned.
To me, it doesn't matter who is right or wrong!
Man currently pumps untold amounts of emissions into the air, untold amounts of pollution into our land/air and sea's, and does untold damage through mining, deforestation, urbanisation etc etc.
Whether this affects the climate or not is actually irrelevant. We MUST STOP! We MUST find better ways to fulfil our energy needs and we must find better ways to house and feed our growing populations. We must reduce this man made damage because even the simplest of minds can recognise it cant be good for us. Also, we must make things sustainable. Some of these things take time so time is what we will take.
Again, this in my opinion has nothing to do with climate change but if I am wrong, it's a win win situation. We will not be hurt by changing these things.
Creating a Tax to reduce these things and allowing governments to put this tax back into their general revenue is NOT, and never will be the answer.
If governments were serious in their beliefs of man made climate change and the imminent dangers they believe it imposes, they would simply legislate to reduce and or stop these things.
They do not! Infact, by government logic, the more emissions generated, the more money they make. It is a futile exercise about feeling good. They can look the people in the eye and say 'see, we are doing something about climate change' but the fact is they are not.
The problem is, The climate IS changing. Every dollar we waste trying to stop it, will be a dollar we will not have to spend on the actual damage climate change will cause. Small nations will suffer, sea levels will rise, draughts will be the norm in some places, flooding will be the norm in others. We will not be prepared.
While the battle goes on about who was right and who was wrong, people will die. I believe we can actually learn to live with these changes and relocate and or adapt accordingly. todays cities will be tomorrows farmlands, todays farmlands will be tomorrows cities.
We do need to impose a tarrif of sorts on man.
Not a carbon tax that hits some people here or there or makes business suffer but a small levy that each and every one of us should be prepared to pay.
It is our world. This money should be put into an international climate fund that should be used as the climate changes more and more.
The truth is, we don't know which way the world will change so is hard to plan ahead. This money would be needed more as reactionary measure. western nations could and should be preparing for what we believe will happen through future planning anyway so this money would not be needed by those that can prepare for it themselves.
There are, however many nations that do not stand a chance against whatever climate change brings. This is where this money will be needed. If the climate doesn't change dramatically for many years, this fund would grow to great proportions. We can help those that cannot help themselves.
I don't know all the answers to this but going on our current path of taxing emissions and putting the taxes into general revenue for me is NOT the answer. we are being played for suckers. My post is not trying to say I have the answers, it is trying to change the current climate debate questions. I have no doubt there are many other who have great ideas about how an ever changing world can be adapted to suit our wants and needs. We are a resilient lot."
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I so agree with this post.
Yes, Earth's climate is in natural constant change. We know that.
Human industrial activity is causing a dramatic impact earth's climate and we need to sort what we need to take from earth to sustain ourselves (and there's plenty to go round) from what is just being gobbled up by insatiable and rapacious profiteers.
@poddster wrote:Is that what inhabits your dreams Ele? An upstanding rigid obelisk of mamoth proportions? ๐
well being a pachyderm I suppose that is the norm but rarely encountered..lol
@ladydeburg wrote:
@tezza2844 wrote:
97% of scientists is a lie perpetrated by the warmists. In that so called 97% there was everybody from jack the plumber to weather forecasters and economists. So please feel free to perpetrate the lie but it is old news and nobody is falling for it, just more warmist propaganda.
Actually the 97% is based on surveys of about 4000 scientific papers. Survey found that the consensus has grown slowly over time, and reached about 98% as of 2011. Our results are also consistent with several previous surveys finding a 97% consensus amongst climate experts on the human cause of global warming.
We have also set up a public ratings system at Skeptical Science where anybody can duplicate our survey. Read and rate as many abstracts as you like, and see what level of consensus you find. You can compare your results to our abstract ratings, and to the author self-ratings.
