Who do they think they are..

[tommy.irene]

This from men who didnt have sex yet..      

Catholics can now remarry after they are divorced, senior cardinals say... but only if they abstain from sex Proposal was put forward by a group of 11 senior Catholic leaders Made it as backlash against Pope Francis’ attempt to give divorcees a fast-track route to forgiveness Likely to add to the confusion and pain felt by many divorced Catholic Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3230133/Catholics-remarry-divorced-senior-cardinals-say-abst...

[azureline**]

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@nevynreally wrote:

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@janeababe wrote:

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@bushies.girl wrote:

My late mother was RC and divorced, she was refused permission to re marry in an RC church, I am also RC and wanted to re marry in the local RC church, permission was refused .... so they have NOT always been allowed

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One way to be allowed to re-marry in the Catholic church, you had to apply to the church to have your previous RC marriage anulled....

well, thats what my cousins' husband had to do, so that they could get married in the RC church.
His previous marriage was for 13yrs and produced 3 kids. I dont think its right. (JMO)

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I have never understood that about the Catholic Church, if you basically deny the existance of your previous family, you can marry again and have our blessing.

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No, that's not how it goes.....Church annulments are not a form of divorce and have no affect whatsoever on the legitimacy of children, because that’s a purely legal (civil) matter.

The difference is, to be married you still have to have a licence from the Registrar, you don't have to have the Sacrament of Matrimony.

[nevynreally]

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@azureline** wrote:

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@nevynreally wrote:

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@janeababe wrote:

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@bushies.girl wrote:

My late mother was RC and divorced, she was refused permission to re marry in an RC church, I am also RC and wanted to re marry in the local RC church, permission was refused .... so they have NOT always been allowed

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One way to be allowed to re-marry in the Catholic church, you had to apply to the church to have your previous RC marriage anulled....

well, thats what my cousins' husband had to do, so that they could get married in the RC church.
His previous marriage was for 13yrs and produced 3 kids. I dont think its right. (JMO)

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I have never understood that about the Catholic Church, if you basically deny the existance of your previous family, you can marry again and have our blessing.

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No, that's not how it goes.....Church annulments are not a form of divorce and have no affect whatsoever on the legitimacy of children, because that’s a purely legal (civil) matter.

The difference is, to be married you still have to have a licence from the Registrar, you don't have to have the Sacrament of Matrimony.

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I know they're not a divorce. But in order to get an annulment (in the eyes of the church) and remarry in the faith, basically the previous marriage doesn't exist or wasn't "within the eyes of the church. Which would mean the children of previous union don't exist.

[cmcoins2000]

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@azureline** wrote:

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@cmcoins2000 wrote:

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@azureline** wrote:

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@cmcoins2000 wrote:

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@azureline** wrote:

Catholics have always been allowed to remarry after divorcing.......there are and always have been, ways of doing so.

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That - perhaps - is only since the Catholic Church granted anyone a divorce.

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The Catholic Church does not grant divorces. That's a civil matter.

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If I may be so bold.

What is an  ANNULLMENT - if not a divorce.

A rose by any other name.

Etc, ect,

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Civil divorce ends a civil marriage; a Church annulment declares that the Sacrament of Matrimony didn’t occur

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Yep, living in ' holy matrimony ' - married right up there in front of the altar  ( read alter) - living together in said ' matrimony ' for 20 (or whatever years) - said marriage didn't happen - said Sacrement of Matrimony - does not count & didn't occur.

How bl**dy convenient.

[azureline**]

No, that is incorrect......it's simply saying the Sacrament was null and void for certain reasons.

Example........ the girl tricked the guy into marriage by telling lies about her commitment to Marriage. She broke the vows she made. Annulment made no difference to the children of that marriage from the perspective of the Church.

Anyway, I am not a theologist, so I am off to bed.

[nevynreally]

How convenient.

[janeababe]

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@azureline** wrote:

No, that is incorrect......it's simply saying the Sacrament was null and void for certain reasons.

Example........ the girl tricked the guy into marriage by telling lies about her commitment to Marriage. She broke the vows she made. Annulment made no difference to the children of that marriage from the perspective of the Church.

Anyway, I am not a theologist, so I am off to bed.

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After a 13yr marriage with 3 children, the church no longer *recognises* the marriage. It has been annulled!
I think thats wrong. IMO, the church is saying that the union of the parents who bore 3 children, didnt happen with the Church's blessing. ... so what does the CHURCH think of those 3 children? (from a religious perspective? ... not a legal perspective)

Then HE gets remarried in the same church to another RC woman and has 2 more children.

I just feel that an annullment of one marriage for the sake of a re-marriage is wrong. Especially if there are children to the first marriage.

[nevynreally]

Totally agree with you janeababe, it's very convenient for the Catholic Church (lose one person, keep the rest and hope the children don't question that later)

Anyway, I'm sure the second wave will be along shortly to put us in our place. 🙂

[azureline**]

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@janeababe wrote:

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@azureline** wrote:

No, that is incorrect......it's simply saying the Sacrament was null and void for certain reasons.

Example........ the girl tricked the guy into marriage by telling lies about her commitment to Marriage. She broke the vows she made. Annulment made no difference to the children of that marriage from the perspective of the Church.

Anyway, I am not a theologist, so I am off to bed.

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After a 13yr marriage with 3 children, the church no longer *recognises* the marriage. It has been annulled!
I think thats wrong. IMO, the church is saying that the union of the parents who bore 3 children, didnt happen with the Church's blessing. ... so what does the CHURCH think of those 3 children? (from a religious perspective? ... not a legal perspective)

Then HE gets remarried in the same church to another RC woman and has 2 more children.

I just feel that an annullment of one marriage for the sake of a re-marriage is wrong. Especially if there are children to the first marriage.

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I don't think it's right either.........

but I suppose it's up to the people involved, their reasons for it, in the cases I know the details of, they had really good reasons.

The Church sees those children as just who they are, why wouldn't they? If they are Baptised Catholics or members of the Church, they would be just like any other person.

They can receive Sacraments, marry in the Church etc.................... my mother divorced, she chose to remarry outside the Church but none of her children were treated differently because of it.

[tasfleur]

In my opinion, the RC church (or any other church/religion for that matter) has no legal leg to stand on in terms of marriage.    The religious annullment thing is nothing but a way to dominate, invalidate and dictate to their church members in the worst autocratic way.

For their members to believe in this demonstrates just how weak, gullible, vulnerable and brain devoured the human condition can be.

We know an RC couple who had three children, the husband cheated on his wife, took all the property out of their marital home (after 15 years) in one day while she was working and the children were at school, and yet, HE was the one who started the anullment proceeding and sobbed about how hard done by he was to the church beagles, who sided and believed him.  He had moved into his girlfriend's house down south (with her children) and ended up marrying her in the RC church as a most pious and holy monster.

Oh well, God bless the church ........ 

[azureline**]

I don't think the Church needs any direction on legal standing.......

They are fully aware it is a Religious ceremony. How bizarre anyone would suggest anything different.