asylum seekers

those who support not detaining them and allowing them to settle in Australia.

what is your plan for supporting them?

where are you going to draw the line?

 

because you do know if our country does allow that to happen they will be coming in their tens of thousands.

how many people do you think in the middle east and africa have the money to pay for their passage here.......millions.

 

once word gets out that you are straight in no questions asked....they will be coming

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@just_me_karen wrote:
Btw, when did asylum seekers riot because they didnt like the conditions? It has never...not ever...happened. Making up stuff is making up stuff.

The reason they protest is because they're held in indefinite detention. The last protest was because they had asked for answers about processing and were told "never".

Yeah hallelujah to holding people forever and ever. What a gracious country we've become, what malleable people we've become.

Instead of making up stuff, you could look at statistics about dead babies on the immigration site, or read facebook of employees and "detainees". See for yourself.

you are the queen of miss imformation

burning down centres is not rioting?

 

read some ones facebook page.........well that's a credible source

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Just a moment.......is the thread about asylum seekers or refugees?

In some instances they are not the same thing.

 

 

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Woah - settle down, I have an opinion, I voiced it.

I am not wanting a brawl over it, just wondering what you would do, or anyone here (myself included for that matter) suggest we all should do ?

 

Like all things political or not 'nice' we all have our opinions and our outrage, but have any of us got a solution?

 

Like I said earlier, if it were my family in danger or strife I would be one of the first on baord those boats, but seriously, I hope I would be inteligent enough to understaand that no country with any kind of security would just hand over the key to the city. We have our own peoople living in poverty that we can't support, how do we suggest we support more?

 

And while they may be detained (shock, horror, awful) at least they are safe. And, yes, I do challenge you to show me where they have eaten worms and had babys die since they have been in camps in Australia.

 

 

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Asylum seeking refugee came to Aus by boat 10 years ago. Told by Ruddock he'd never be allowed to continue his career in Australia....   Inspiring tale of former refugee Dr Munjed Al Muderis and war hero Michael Swain
 
http://www.news.com.au/national/inspiring-tale-of-former-refugee-dr-munjed-al-muderis-and-war-hero-m...
 
 
Michael Swain's revolutionary new legs2:57
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UK veteran and double amputee Michael Swain talks about the incredible new prosthetic legs he received from orthopaedic surgeon, Dr Munjed Al Muderis.

 
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MICHAEL Swain was just 20 years old on November 8 in 2009 when he triggered an insurgent bomb in southern Afghanistan and lost both his legs.

Precisely a decade earlier to the day in 1999, Dr Munjed Al Muderis landed on Christmas Island after a perilous journey in a rickety Indonesian boat to seek asylum from the brutal regime of Saddam Hussein in his homeland of Iraq.

Fast forward to 2013 and the two men’s lives converged in a Sydney clinic where Dr Al Muderis, by then a reservist with the RAAF and one of the world’s leading specialists in a little-known strand of orthopedic surgery called osseointegration, changes the former British soldier’s life with a radical procedure to fuse titanium rods into his femur bones.

Rifleman Swain was two months into his tour with Britain’s 3 Rifles in the Sangin region of Helmand Province when his legs were blown off and he almost died.

Sangin was the most dangerous place on Earth at the time and during his tour British forces suffered 30 killed and 160 wounded — the highest casualty rates since the Korean War.

Swain spent three years in rehab including 18 months learning to walk on carbon socket mounted prosthetic legs. By January 2013 he was nowhere near as mobile as he wanted and he decided that the socket system was never going to work for him.

“I wanted to walk and be active but I wasn’t and it was getting me down,’’ he said.

Despite the problems with his legs he managed to raise 250,000 pounds (AU$463,000) for various charities by riding a hand bike from Edinburgh to London in five days. He has sky dived, run the Marine Corps marathon, met the PM at 10 Downing Street and lobbied MPs in the House of Commons.

 

 

Dr Munjed Al Muderis

Doctor and patient ... Dr Munjed Al Muderis and Michael Swain.. Source: News Corp Australia

 

But his world changed when he met a patient of Dr Al Muderis’ at a clinic in England who had undergone osseointegration in Sydney.

With the help of Lieutenant Colonel Rhodri Phillips from the Defence Medical Rehabilitation Centre, the men met and Mr Swain began another battle to have the procedure funded under the National Health Service. That failed but they convinced the Ministry of Defence of the merits of the procedure after Colonel Phillips travelled to Sydney on his own account to observe Dr Al Muderis in action.

The first procedure to insert the titanium implants took place on December 12 last year and eight weeks later he was back in surgery to have the adaptors fitted to the artificial bone that fits directly onto a robotic leg. Bone and muscle grow around the titanium on the bone end, essentially creating a bionic leg.

Swain was the third double amputee patient to have the osseointegration procedure in Australia.

Dr Al Muderis fled Iraq in 1999, two years after qualifying from Baghdad University, when he was ordered to amputate the ears from Iraqi soldiers who had deserted from Saddam’s insane regime. When his hospital supervisor was murdered in cold blood before his eyes he fled to Jordan before making his way to Java, via Abu Dhabi and Malaysia, where he boarded a people smuggling boat crammed with 150 passengers bound for Christmas Island. He spent the harrowing journey treating his fellow asylum seekers, who included several pregnant women, for severe sea sickness.

“There was no room even to sit, many people were just standing on deck,’’ he said.

 

 

Medical miracle ... X-rays of Michael's legs show where the rods are inserted into his fe

Medical miracle ... X-rays of Michael's legs show where the rods are inserted into his femur. Source: News Corp Australia

 

Dr Al Muderis said there was nothing special about refugees, who represent a slice of society including the “good, the bad and the ugly”. But he said no one deserved to be known as a number like he was for 10 months in Curtin Detention Centre where he was known simply as “Number 982’’.

“People should never be a number, I don’t keep numbers, people have names,” he said.

After being told by then Immigration Minister Philip Ruddock that his qualifications would never be recognised in Australia, the young refugee medico emerged into Australian society and worked from Mildura to Canberra to prove his worth.

He obtained a job as Surgical Registrar at the Austin Hospital in Melbourne before placements at Bendigo, Wollongong and Canberra Hospitals.

“It was during my time at Austin Hospital that I studied to fulfil my dream to become an orthopedic robotics limb surgeon; a most fascinating and rewarding profession working with cutting-edge technology to assist those who have lost legs in combat, or through other health and accident reasons,’’ he said.

Despite his ordeal and the hurdles he was forced to overcome, Dr Al Muderis said that he felt very lucky to be an Australian.

He hopes to be able to provide his services to Australian soldiers who have lost limbs in war.

His first military patient flew for 25 hours, over other clinics in Sweden, Germany and France that conduct the procedure, to be treated by an Iraqi refugee.

 

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edited - On thinking about it - we have a lot of empty land in Oz, why is it that something can not be provided for the refugees on that land 

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The same could be said for our own homeless.

 

Most of the "Boat People" don't want to be sited on "empty land" They want to be in the big smoke where all the goodies are.

 

A lot of this empty land would not support a city. Why do you think it is empty?

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@gkam2 wrote:

@polksaladallie wrote:

Because I'm just a simple soul, just adoring of the new adult government.. 


Sarcasm is considered the last resort of the simple.


The poster is far from simple.......... I don't always agree with her posts but I think her IQ is equal to or greater than some.

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Well here is an idea -

 

I am going to base this on an average family - 2 adults - 2 children - one income earner (and according to the latest unemployed statistics this country can in reality only sustain a single income earner family no matter what they want us to believe).

 

You have your income each week budgeted for your family - food, clothing, housing, medical, education, petrol, electricity, as the absolute basics - an average income earner can't afford pets or entertainment and now you are are told take in:

 

an extra 2 adults and 2 children - no income, no means of supporting themselves, no medical cover, thank God they didn't bring the dog.

 

How are you going to manage ? Are your children going to have to do without? Get less on thier plate each night?

 

Because that is what we are asking the government to do if we want them to support asylem seekers.

 

Will you be the first to stand up and say " I will do it" - My family will help out - or will you wait until someone comes up with a better idea - like most of us?

 

This is not aimed at anyone in particular - I just get tired of the 'this is what we should do's who can't come up with a solution.

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@2106greencat wrote:

Totally with martini and az - if someone can afford to relocate, they are not refugees - go throught the correct immigration channels.

 

edited - On thinking about it - we have a lot of empty land in Oz, why is it that something can not be provided for the refugees on that land and the government of those countries are made to share the cost of said developement.

 

It always annoys me, the many suffer, but the governments or so called ruling parties of those poor countries are not held financially accountable and I am also betting said governments don't go hungry each night, or fear they will be shot in the streets..


Asylum seekers is the subject. yes... not refugees,

For asylum seekers, we seem to have a problem with empathy. I wonder if that is because some seem to not know the difference.

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Ms Information, thank you. You won't mind me calling you Mr Year Nine?

I did not say there were no riots. I corrected the reasons given for the riots. And that is not misinformation.

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A lot of people give extra............. but we are all taxpayers aren't we?

 

 

 


@nero_wulf wrote:

@freakiness wrote:



Some have to relocate or they're dead.  What are they if not refugees?


How many have you sponsored?   Or do you just expect the Australian tax payer to pay for them and for them to claim centrelink payments at our expense? 




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