seems mandatory vaccine is the go for the work place ....

The vaccine for covid , seems now being mandated for those currently employed

Seems like a violation of the existing conditions of employment for many , particularly whereby there is no mandate for  influenza vaccine requirement

Of course a harmless vaccine proven to mitigate against deadly covid-19 is desirable however some may object for whatever reason - and as are currently employed , one wonders the moral efficacy of coerced inoculation, as is clearly a workplace agreement item 

There is talk of dismissing currently employed workers for non-compliance

This to me would violate existing workplace agreements and a violation - fully paid leave would be the only  ethical way of excluding current employees ( unless all are retrenched then re-employed under covid safe clauses ) 

If there was no alternate to vaccination a strong case could be argued

But there are alternatives - periodic pcr tests,  daily check-in fast antigen tests , 1 minute on the treadmill 

The vaccines are released under emergency use meaning are experimental , so clearly fall under international law regarding strictly no forcing of experimental treatments

 

All that i am saying is that while inoculation is the most convenient , controllable and cost effective procedure , there should be an alternate process that meets workplace requirements

 

 

 

  

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Now could it be that we are seeing a reincarnation of the Third Reich in corporate form, and like the  historically Nazi connected Agri-chemical company and politicians sympathetic to their profit lust, we are seeing same with political PHARMACANAZISM telling us what we should do?

 

STOP IT.     JUST STOP IT,  4 channel.  ENOUGH IS ENOUGH WITH THE NAZI COMPARISONS!

 

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Amazing that you would even write that. I'm in total disagreement there. What I got from chameleon54's post was that along the way, some of us folk have lost a little bit of ourselves by being caught up in the distractions and aspects of city life. Actually, what he has said is also being said by the health experts as well,. I respectfully have to tell you that your interpretation is grossly inaccurate!


Speak only - and ever only - for yourself - WHO THE HECK IS WE.

 

Sheesh - grossly inaccurate coming from - respectfully - you.

 

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@imastawka wrote:

 

STOP IT.     JUST STOP IT,  4 channel.  ENOUGH IS ENOUGH WITH THE NAZI COMPARISONS!

 


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When someone is in a country where they are denied a choice and thus be forced / coerced into accepting something whether it be by gunpoint, threat of imprisonment, threat of property or assets confiscation, loss of civil liberties or employment, they are in a dictatorship! T

 

The state of Victoria has attempted to achieve an agenda by way of psychologically damaging human beings with a world-record lock-down (Does this make the Guiness Book of Records?) and by threat of destroying the livelihood of human beings with what appears to be brutality via proxy to threaten employment annihilation / extermination if they don't comply. If this is not PHARMACANAZISM then what is it?  I am not the one who first referred to Andrews as a dictator. Many before me have.


Even Brownwyn Bishop has words about Andrews: "(Daniel Andrews) is such a phony bloke, and of course a dedicated socialist, and behaving like any other dictator,” Ms Bishop said." Here in 2020! 

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@4channel

 

You have been asked on more than several occasions - to stop.

 

Stop with WW1 - stop with WW2 - stop with Nazis - stop with Fascists - stop with Iraq - stop with Ivermectin - stop with misleading misinformation - I could go on.

 

The fact that you refuse/haven't - is indicative of an abusive personality.

 

When asked to cease - one usually does - because it has become offensive to others.

 

Your perspective on - morality - your continual sexual references on the morality of others - your continual references to corruption -  is very telling.

 

The conversations are Covid.

 

You are way out of line. 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll leave it at that.

 

 

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Even Brownwyn Bishop has words about Andrews: "(Daniel Andrews) is such a phony bloke, and of course a dedicated socialist, and behaving like any other dictator,” Ms Bishop said." Here in 2020! 


 

SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!!! (don't normally start my posts with an UPPERCASE letter, but I make an exception this time)

 

What would you expect Brown Bishop to say about any Labor politician????

 

ALSO, you constantly bang on about politicians behaving badly, being on the take, lacking ethics, lacking a moral compass etc etc YET see fit to cite the words of a politician who misused public funds AND resigned as House Speaker because of multiple indiscretions. 

 

Sounds like you are being selective in your judgement of BB through using her as a credible source to make a point despite her fitting your description of a bad pollie.

 

Let's discuss! (if you can)

 

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Dr Peter McCollough - the upright citizen - Doctor - is being sued - for dishonesty.

 

Oft mentioned - in the overlong rants.

 

YJCMTSU.

 

 

 

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 Amazing that you would even write that. I'm in total disagreement there. What I got from chameleon54's post was that along the way, some of us folk have lost a little bit of ourselves by being caught up in the distractions and aspects of city life.

Then perhaps you would like to go through his actual statements one by one , as I did, and tell us what inference you drew from each of  them

Actually, what he has said is also being said by the health experts as well,.

Really? So when have you ever heard a health expert use blatant sarcasm to denigrate those  who work in offices (they go to their " safe " work, pushing a computer mouse all  day,")  those who live in towns and suburbs ( " safe " little house ( made of ticky tacky )") or enrol their kids in organised sport (the kids play a "safe" sport).") Or maybe you think all tose inveted commas were only typos.

I respectfully have to tell you that your interpretation is grossly inaccurate!

And I respectfully have to tell you that, whatever message Chameleon may have meant to convey with his post my interpretation was both logical and rational based on what he actually wrote.  

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@4channel,

 

here ya go, some information about Bronwyn Bishop (who you used as a credible person in a previous post, I mean, if you didn’t think she was credible you would not have quoted her)

 

ALSO, you bang on about John Howard yet are comfortable to use one of his greatest supporters as a reference.

 

From Wikipedia  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronwyn_Bishop

 

 

Expenses controversy and resignation

 

In mid-July 2015, Bishop became embroiled in the "Choppergate" expenses scandal surrounding her use of parliamentary travel entitlements that ultimately led to her resignation as Speaker. It had emerged that she had chartered helicopter flights from Melbourne to Geelong and back to attend a state Liberal Party fundraiser on 5 November 2014. The cost of the flights was $5,227.27 for a journey that typically takes an hour each way by road. Bishop refused to resign over the expenses claim, describing it as an "error of judgement", while expressing disappointment that the controversy had become a distraction from the opposition and its policies.[50] However, she agreed to pay back the sum of the helicopter flight plus a penalty of $1,307.[51]

 

The controversy was fuelled by further revelations of spending on travel. In 2014, Bishop and four parliamentary delegates spent $88,084 on a two-week trip to Europe in her bid for presidency of the Inter-Parliamentary Union, including almost $1,000 a day on private limousines.[52][53] Bishop also incurred costs of over $3,300 for car expenses in order to attend the opera and other arts events from 2010 to 2013[54] and $800 for flights to the wedding of Sophie Mirabella in Albury.

 

In response to the controversy, Tony Abbott declared Bishop was on what he termed "probation", calling her behaviour "out of line", though maintaining his confidence in the Speaker.[55] A transcript of Tony Abbott's comments calling for Prime Minister Julia Gillard to make Peter Slipper resign over a travel expenses scandal was also removed from the Liberal Party's website.[56][57] On 31 July, Tony Abbott announced that the Department of Finance would be reviewing all expenses claimed by Bishop over the past 10 years, including the $800,000 claimed during 2014.[58][59]

 

Bowing to political pressure, Bishop resigned the speakership on 2 August 2015 and moved to the backbench.[60]Commentators noted that Prime Minister Abbott would have had to deal with the probability that "a significant number of government MPs would not support her in a no-confidence motion."[61]

 

Though it was initially speculated that the 73-year-old MP would leave parliament at the 2016 federal election, Bishop announced in December 2015 her intent to recontest her seat of Mackellar, claiming she had been "exonerated" over the "Choppergate" expenses scandal, and that the "threat of terrorism" had convinced her she needs to remain in Parliament. Support from the local Liberal branches in her seat had been "dented" following revelations she voted for Malcolm Turnbull in the September 2015 Liberal leadership spill before unsuccessfully lobbying senior Liberals for a ministry in the Turnbull Government, a charge which a cabinet minister confirmed but was denied by Bishop.[62] In challenges for preselection, candidate Walter Villatora was endorsed by Mike Baird and Tony Abbott to replace Bishop,[63][64] and former Wallaby player Bill Calcraft was endorsed by Alan Jones.[65] Bishop was eventually defeated by Jason Falinski by 51 votes to 39. Falinski retained Mackellar for the Liberals at the 2016 election.[66][67]

 

Bishop repaid over $6,700 after an investigation into her finances, but did not give the Department of Finance enough information about her engagements for them to determine whether they were a legitimate use of taxpayer funds or not. She said that she would no longer be cooperating with the review after her retirement from the parliament.[68] Bishop had provided statements for the financial years 2005–06, 2006–07 and 2013–14.[69]

 

 

 

ALSO

 

If you wanted any evidence of Bronwyn Bishop’s political bias there is this (from the Wikipedia link above)

 

Bishop received significant criticism for her partisanship and claims of bias as speaker.[47][48] The speaker's role is nominally nonpartisan. During her tenure in the chair, Bishop ejected Labor MPs from the House 393 times, but Coalition MPs only seven times.[49]

 

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I used large text as 4channel uses large text and I thought it would get his attention.  AND, I forget to add

 

Let’s discuss

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Love it. 

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@ chamo

 

I am not wanting to buy into any to-and-fro between you and she-el . . . but I do have a question for you

 

Q) Do you think asking 4channel if he is in Victoria is a valid line of enquiry?

 

I mean, someone commenting on business issues is asked about their business credentials/history . . . isn’t asking what state 4channel lives in a valid question considering how hard he has banged on about Victoria?

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