Is FB marketplace, something ebay is aware of?

[walenad]

Because if this payment delay isn't removed, I'm never coming back.

[gewens]

Hello, everyone. It's very important to keep your discussion relevant to the topic. If you have something else to talk about, please start a new thread. Remember irrelevant posts might be removed. Thanks.

[digital*ghost]

Why are you raging at me, lol, or have you replied to me without reading who is the mod posting in this thread (and editing posts), and who are regular ebay forum members?

FWIW, the link you provided goes to a page for payment methods (for selling fees), for sellers who aren't on managed payments, so it's not relevant to you anymore.

Look, I'll give you a reason to rage at me if you want, ok? Read on, right to the end, and I'm sure you'll have a tablespoon of scorn for me 😉 

ebay isn't hiding this information from people;  there are stacks of threads here already from disgruntled members, complaining about managed payments, about ebay having the authority to debit from their account and / or having to sign into their bank account via eBay (funnily enough, these people were able to acquire the debit information before signing on for managed payments, given the high number of people who got angry about it before 4 cents was bestowed upon them and then retreived, I don't think the info is as obscure as you keep saying it is).

I'm not saying you have to be happy about managed payments or that you have to accept it, you can do whatever you like, but before you go to "war" and complain to all and sundry about the evil that is eBay, who's apparently committing crimes left, right and centre, maybe you should take a step back and just read some actual information that's available - about what eBay require, about what eBay is authorised to do, what they're legally obliged to do - then armed with that info, you'll be in a much better position to decide if ebay has overstepped any boundaries, which will make any complaint you have infinitely more substantial. ("I didn't read the agreement and now I'm angry that 4 cents was nabbed" isn't quite the slam dunk it might first appear). 

[i_got_dust-collectors]

to the OP @walenad; as for FB as a selling venue .. I personally am not enthusiastic about it right now .. too dilute of a selling venue for me .. ebay did tick a lot of boxes for me .. I am in a horrible limbo as am not really into these american owned selling venues now either .. us aussies actually need to find a viable alternative .. plus the New World Order aspect to what is going on is quite brutal is my opinion .. apparently ebay is doing this for the regulators .. and this mangled payments was necessary .. lol ..  it occurred to me that the powers that be (a few big players in on this .. BOD tenticles .. investment groups, regulators etc etc) seem deadset intent on stopping the australian market having a focused and undiluted sales venue that has nothing to do with google advertising or american ecommerce and surveillance capitalism seem to be here to stay .. is that all a crime? ..  I think so .. a very hard one to prove but know it must be there regardless ..   a very insidious form of new capitalism is emerging now  .. a bit more than I expected .. ? .. I think so .. ..

[davewil1964]

Very hard to prove, given that facts would be required.

Something conspiracy theorists seem to neglect.

As d*g said, you agreed to MP T&Cs when you signed up for MP. The fact that you didn't read the T&Cs you agreed to (and said you had read and understood) doesn't make eBay duplicitous, much less a part of some global conspiracy.

[i_got_dust-collectors]

"I don't think the info is as obscure as you keep saying it is"

@ digitalghost

I can't recall ebay saying at any stage that I would be required to supply my internet banking login to remove banking details that I supplied to sign up to the compulsory ebay/ayden managed payments platform .. can you find a link to that feature of ebay/ayden managed payments platform in the fine print of the user agreement they forced me to if I want to stay selling here for me DG? .. I am feeling a bit lazy on this after a difficult day ..

[i_got_dust-collectors]

"Very hard to prove, given that facts would be required.
Something conspiracy theorists seem to neglect."

yes you are quite right davewill .. difficult to prove .. but it's there none the less .. a sneaky business of dark
net file sharing hubs for our data to be shared between "various" parties .. what do we do about it? ..

like I always assumed law enforcement and the tax-man/government-agencies could see my banking details whenever they wanted to .. no .. it "feels like" "this is something else" .. spidey senses now .. another
conspiracy theory .. no .. we know there is information sharing here (ebay said this is regulatory) but this is clearly different to anything I have seen before .. .. more than meets the eye .. .. conspiracy theories; annoying arn't they? anyway thanks for not shying away on replying on this ..

[davewil1964]

Yawn.

The body of my previous reply is the applicable bit. The bit you constantly conveniently ignore - you agreed to the T&Cs. You apparently didn't read the T&Cs. You have not a leg to stand on.

Your first point is the best for you. Stop selling on eBay. I'm sure the loss of your 2 sales in 6 months will cause eBay to recant.

[digital*ghost]

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@i_got_dust-collectors wrote:

"I don't think the info is as obscure as you keep saying it is"

@ digitalghost

I can't recall ebay saying at any stage that I would be required to supply my internet banking login to remove banking details that I supplied to sign up to the compulsory ebay/ayden managed payments platform .. can you find a link to that feature of ebay/ayden managed payments platform in the fine print of the user agreement they forced me to if I want to stay selling here for me DG? .. I am feeling a bit lazy on this after a difficult day ..

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Lol, your laziness doesn't make anything my responsibility. 

I will clarify something for you, though - logging into your bank account via eBay when signing up for managed payments has nothing to do with the debit authority, it is purely to facilitate the verification of the account. That is why MP continues to work fine for everyone who verifies their account this way, then immediately changes their login details (that is, eBay don't use the login, they just check that the personal details of the bank account holder match the personal details of the eBay account holder). Personally, I didn't have to go through that process (I was asked to supply a screenshot of my account after independent sign-in that showed required details), and the log-in verification can be bypassed anyway, as I have explained in multiple threads on this already. 

The direct debit authorisation is part of the terms of managed payments. 

[digital*ghost]

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@i_got_dust-collectors wrote:

to the OP @walenad; as for FB as a selling venue .. I personally am not enthusiastic about it right now .. too dilute of a selling venue for me .. ebay did tick a lot of boxes for me .. I am in a horrible limbo as am not really into these american owned selling venues now either .. us aussies actually need to find a viable alternative ..

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We've had plenty - they fail because they just exist in their own little space and don't do anything to reach people, expand or market themselves. Competing with eBay is not as simple as it sounds - this site has had more than 20 years to grow and adapt in this market, and had the benefit of being one of the first of its kind, which in turn means they've amassed large amounts of capital to invest in the right areas.

For a business starting from scratch being able to compete with eBay, the start-up capital required would be immense - they need a functional site, that can do everything it needs to, an advertising budget, the ability to attract some big players, and / or unique / premium sellers, and legal teams to assist with the formulation of policies and how to deal with disputes between buyers and sellers - not even Amazon, the biggest ecommerce site in the world, is holding a candle to eBay in Australia right now. 

And so far, most of the time the biggest thing alternative sites ever have going for them is that they're not eBay - by which I mean, what tends to happen is they get a bunch of sellers there who don't want to use eBay anymore and.... not much else. 

The only way I can see a new third-party platform being able to legitimately give eBay a run for its money, is if someone can capitalise on a newer novelty that no one else has yet, but continue to be able to innovate and attract buyers so that they don't die after the novelty has worn off. This would mean letting go of any and all nostalgia for the eBay of the past, BTW, because it's mostly sellers mourning that loss, and it's buyers that these kinds of sites need to attract (sellers are a given in one form or another, if buyers are there).

[i_got_dust-collectors]

"FWIW, the link you provided goes to a page for payment methods (for selling fees), for sellers who aren't on managed payments, so it's not relevant to you anymore."

fwiw .. my blood pressure is dropping back to normal levels again now .. this is also a mental health issue for many users .with triggers surrounding bureaucracy and narcissistic micro management practices .. 

when you said I linked to that page DG for setting up managed payment.. I thought you were giving bad information .. but I checked this morning and somehow that link you mentioned is there (i linked it by accident somehow) .. that was not the page I used, I linked that by accident .. not sure how I got that link mixed in ..

this is the actual link I used here:

https://www.ebay.com.au/help/account/changing-account-settings/closing-account-deleting-data?id=4199...

so sorry that link before was there it really confuses what I was saying .. but thank you for pointing that out .. hopefully now things are clearer // in the midst of a meltdown caused by all this I have made a mistake in translating/describing what has happened .. bound to be confusion of some sort in this complex trail of obfuscation ..

anyway I have worked it out now .. it is a cabal of willing banks who have opted into this to feed ayden/ebay the data they "required" (my internet bank login) .. some smaller banks haven't opted in (yet) . but the big four plus a few others allow this banking login security check" ..

anyway this is the start of a slippery slope is the point I am making .. and it won't just be a requirement on ebay soon .. every man and his dog will soon "require" your internet banking password .. I think that is problematic ..

basically the way it was designed was like an entrapment model for law enforcement .. but with what looks like a standard hack by trickery where the user is coerced to hand over login details to a hacker .. it goes deeper .. there is the very high possibility of a key-logger in the mix too .. this is my point they are pulling a fast one .. this is a full surveillance grid they are attempting to put together .. players like Microsoft are facilitating other parts of the grid ..

A superhighway of data and security certificates and encryption darting in and out of the dark web .. but all on a subscription model .. these are the emerging tools of the New World Order .. an uncomfortable alliance of tax haven based globalist monopoly practices predators and government .. a cartel of micro managing interests looking to carpetbag a huge haul of users data for "various" reasons ..

it may all seem innocuous and I understand there needs to be a level of security but giving my internet banking password is an affront to sensibility ..

I gave and had scraped all manner of identification .. my name, my birthday. my phone number, my driving licence, my IP, my device IMIE. confirmed micro payments. my browser and OS configuration plus a few other metrics etc .. but they required my internet banking password too .. internet banking password .. internet banking password .. internet banking password! .. red alert!!!

and I was unable to remove my banking details from ebay managed payments or delete the ebay account .. some type of glitch? .. oh yes! .. .. I doubt investigators or regulators give a stuff but this is what is going on .. and in my mind a slippery slope .. I want to give adequate security information but I do not want to be abused .. and no I don't trust the government .. ever .. what I am seeing is megalomania .. the more people imply my reaction is hysteria the further the gap between us .. I am preparing for this storm of fascistic interests ahead .. it never ends .. 1984 is coming .. and a brave new world awaits the blissfully ignorant ..