Paypal whingers

[tedtooner]

Gee I'm sick of going to someone's item and seeing them whinge about Paypal fees. Ebay should not allow this.If you don't like Ebay and the benefits you get from Paypal then go somewhere else.

[tstore]

I am pretty sure PayPal offers a service to both buyers and sellers ...

[digital*ghost]

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@iamanark wrote:

Quote: "When you use a service there are charges"

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Yes that is correct

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But it is the buyer who uses the service

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So why should the seller have to pay the charges ?

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If the seller is operating as a business, their buyers are paying the fees...it's just not explicit. 

I get that casual sellers who sell an item, particularly at auction, can look at the final price achieved and think about how much more they'd get in their pocket if PayPal wasn't involved (if/when their buyers pay that way), but that neglects to take into some (admittedly unquantifiable) variables, such as whether the price would have gone that high if it was offered to a smaller market and/or where the buyer couldn't access a safe payment method.

[iamanark]

Variables or red herrings

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The first “variable” is the number of people/members who deserted ePay when PayPay was made mandatory

[iamanark]

Variables or red herrings

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Quote: “where the buyer couldn't access a safe payment method” (there is no argument about whether a buyer should be protected, of course they should)

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But why should the seller pay for this ?

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If I want insurance … for my car, my home, my dog, my life or my ePay purchase … I PAY FOR IT … that is my prerogative to be insured

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And under Australian law, fees ARE allowed to be charged back to the user

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Use a card at your local servo, with an airline

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But ePay supersede this … ePay and PayPal operate above common law

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The mandatory use of PayPay where the seller has to pay the fees, is one of the major reasons for the loss of customer base on ePay

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[digital*ghost]

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@iamanark wrote:

Variables or red herrings

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The first “variable” is the number of people/members who deserted ePay when PayPay was made mandatory

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There are reasons why people choose to use eBay over any of the other methods for selling items that may be available to them.

There are reasons why people choose to buy on ebay over any of the other shopping venues available to them.

In general, most buyers and sellers are aware of the involvement of eBay, and to a certain extent, PayPal in the transactions they conduct, and what it means to them personally. Therefore these choices, and the impressions that influence them, are very real (but as I said, unquantifiable), variables, not red herrings, which is a device specifically employed to distract from reality/truth. A real red herring is the way PayPal suggest a buyer will get their money back if they don't receive an item. Someone under that impression may bid more confidently and - as a consequence - higher, but their understanding and their behaviour because of it isn't the red herring.

Even if a person's understaning of eBay / PayPal is limited or misguided, what they do understand, or think, will influence their choices. 

[*crikey*mate*]

*grasps Digi's hand*

*leads her away*

[digital*ghost]

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@iamanark wrote:

Variables or red herrings

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Quote: “where the buyer couldn't access a safe payment method” (there is no argument about whether a buyer should be protected, of course they should)

.

But why should the seller pay for this ?

.

If I want insurance … for my car, my home, my dog, my life or my ePay purchase … I PAY FOR IT … that is my prerogative to be insured

.

And under Australian law, fees ARE allowed to be charged back to the user

.

Use a card at your local servo, with an airline

.

But ePay supersede this … ePay and PayPal operate above common law

.

The mandatory use of PayPay where the seller has to pay the fees, is one of the major reasons for the loss of customer base on ePay

.

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PayPal isn't mandatory.

It also provides seller protection, which while not infallible insurance, can prevent loss from fraudulent chargebacks.

....and, as a seller making a profit on eBay, with all applicable fees accounted for when I decide upon my prices, I'm not paying for PayPal fees. There is no one-size-fits-all members/situations assessment of this issue.

[digital*ghost]

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@my*favourite*poster wrote:

*grasps Digi's hand*

*leads her away*

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I'm cool.

Just shootin' the breeze, respectful and cucumber-like. 

Besides, I already used up my "just walk away" meme the other day. 

[davewil1964]

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@iamanark wrote:

Variables or red herrings

.

Quote: “where the buyer couldn't access a safe payment method” (there is no argument about whether a buyer should be protected, of course they should)

.

But why should the seller pay for this ?

.

If I want insurance … for my car, my home, my dog, my life or my ePay purchase … I PAY FOR IT … that is my prerogative to be insured

.

And under Australian law, fees ARE allowed to be charged back to the user

.

Use a card at your local servo, with an airline

.

But ePay supersede this … ePay and PayPal operate above common law

.

The mandatory use of PayPay where the seller has to pay the fees, is one of the major reasons for the loss of customer base on ePay

.

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And this loss is quantifiable? Presumably eBay aren't making as much money as they used to. Or the BUYER numbers are falling - as that, ultimately, is the source of the funds.

Links to objective analyses?

[*crikey*mate*]

If you dislike it so much, Sweetpea, how come you keep coming back?