on โ05-03-2019 08:18 AM
My understanding is that it is NOT but it continues to be charged. Is this an illegal practice that no one has addressed.
โ11-03-2019 01:36 PM - edited โ11-03-2019 01:38 PM
@k1ooo-slr-sales wrote:@4channel wrote:
Actually similarly to what you're doing here, another member challenged me on this and actually found one that supported my memory of this but said he could only find one.
so, just let me understand this properly, you remember reading it (in a newspaper presumably) back in the 90's . . . . . and that another poster did some digging and could only find one reference to a $50m payout?
I'll admit that I already did my own digging before asking you for links, and could not find anything to support the proposition that multiple execs got $50m payouts.
End result: STILL A FAKE CLAIM IN A POST to infer more than one exec got a $50m payout.
Spoilerstill happy to be proved wrong if you can provide links or images of newspaper articles.
I do remember hearing or reading abouit another exec that got a 50 mill payout. A very long time ago.
And the member was davewill1967 as per below
@davewil1964 wrote:Some got 50 Million dollar
Eureka, I found it - Alan Moss in 2009. ONE, not some, and nearly a decade ago. Which slightly predates GST on overseas purchases. And has absolutely nothing to do with it, either.
https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Buying/GST-for-Australia-rip-off/m-p/2209780#M97871
$50m package for retiring Macquarie boss
May 20, 2008 12:00am
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NABโs outgoing CEO Andrew Thorburn gives up $22m in million-dollar golden handshake
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Golden handshakes cost shareholders $80 million
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Though not a bank exec
How golden should Fletcherโs handshake be?
Eureka Report editor and Age columnist, James Kirby, produced an interesting article regarding John Fletcherโs potential $50 million golden handshake from Coles. How reasonable is the estimate? asks Adam Schwab.
https://www.crikey.com.au/2007/07/10/how-golden-should-fletchers-handshake-be/
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And accross the waters
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Biggest Golden Handshakes in History
http://www.tothetick.com/archives/2677
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Possibly due to public outcry and what had been taking place.
Golden handshake' laws passed by Australian Senate
The class / caste system that some pollies want is not the thing for the rest of us. I'd say little johnnie boy would disagree with me though.
โ11-03-2019 03:25 PM - edited โ11-03-2019 03:30 PM
4channel, I appreciate your taking the time to find the links.
davewil points out of course that Moss's pay-out was in 2009, and that this doesn't have a connection with the GST on low value imported goods. However, in terms of the worth of any executive being given golden handshakes or payouts of this amount, it certainly strikes me (and I daresay almost everyone on these boards) as obscene. His actual retained benefits were $25 million, I believe, although of course the salary of almost as much again made that an outrageous total for that year. Quoting, "The Australian Shareholders' Association said it regarded Mr Moss's remuneration as excessive." Agreed.
Indeed, the Moss example was so egregious and so widely reported that it's evident as something that stands out beyond the normal.
The second example (the first example that you give other than referencing the Moss incident) is about Andrew Thorburn receiving $1 million upon leaving the NAB. The fact that he's having to forgo those $22 million in rights to NAB shares is good news. Clearly the NAB had to give him the $1.04 million that he was contracted to receive (in lieu of the long notice period he'd ordinarily have given), and I doubt that anyone thinks he actually deserved that million... but the loss of that $22 million must sting him sharply, don't you think? This government has been (in spite of its chaos) the government who gave us the royal commission into the banks; I don't particularly worry over whether that was done willingly or unwillingly, as at the very least this has exposed scuttling cockroaches of banking misconduct, with the result that Mr Thorburn is out on his tush, even after vowing just days before to fight for his job.
So... that example, satisfying as it is, doesn't support your main contention about $50 million payouts.
The third example is not a banking executive costing shareholders $80 million. Rather... "Fourteen CEOs from 13 companies reaped generous payouts, with the average deal worth $5.71 million, almost 1.7 times the average paid over the past three years." I agree that it's outrageous for CEOs to receive such payouts. But... it's not banking executives (or even CEOs) getting $50 million payouts each.
Your example of John Fletcher's handout upon his being dumped by Coles isn't valid; the Crikey link talks about $50 million but Fletcher walked away with about $37 million. Of that, $17 million was from his remuneration package (rights to Coles shares worth that amount), and the remaining $20 million was made up of his annual salary plus the value of shares which his private companies owned. I consider that a farewell package of $17 million is still too high, especially given Mr Fletcher's poor performance, but it's not $50 million, thankfully!
You do still have the first example of Allan Moss as a genuine banking figure who walked away with a $50 million handshake. As it was about 10 years ago, I hope we've seen the last of golden handshakes of that amount.
I don't see a connection between former Prime Minister Howard, the $50 million of Mr Moss, and the GST on low value imported goods, although I suppose you could use the Moss example as a motif... Something like "The GST demonstrates the greed of the government just as Allan Moss's $50 million payout demonstrated the greed of CEOs in banks, big business, etc." I cannot really follow this argument to the point of connecting it with the current GST legislation, or as really being relevant with regard to eBay, but each to his own.
(My view is that GST on low value imported goods was always going to happen at some point. If the Liberals hadn't ratified it, Labor would have. It's probably a wise move, in fact... but time will tell. It's too early to accurately forecast its effect and results.)
โ11-03-2019 04:28 PM - edited โ11-03-2019 04:31 PM
@4channel
**sigh**
I call FAKE posting because you go on about golden handshakes that have little or nothing to do with your much repeated $50m golden handshakes for banking execs claim.
Forget about golden handshakes for multiple execs that total over $50m as that was not the basis of your much posted claim.
Forget about golden handshakes for non-banking sector.
Forget about golden handshakes for those "over the waters".
I am still waiting for links to back up your assertion that the Howard Coalition government enabled Australian banking execs to get $50m golden handshakes (considering that the banks are non-government entities I fail to see how the government would/should have a say in remuneration matters between execs and the banks).
Again, FAKE POSTING called out yet again!
Unless you can back up the claim I respectfully ask that you stop posting that claim.
on โ11-03-2019 05:09 PM
@countessalmirena wrote:
(My view is that GST on low value imported goods was always going to happen at some point. If the Liberals hadn't ratified it, Labor would have. It's probably a wise move, in fact... but time will tell. It's too early to accurately forecast its effect and results.)
When the UK brought in VAT in 1973 it was set at 10% it is now sitting at 20%, and Australia will almost inevitably follow the UK's example..................then watch the screaming and dummy-spitting start..............
on โ11-03-2019 05:53 PM
@countessalmirena wrote:4channel, I appreciate your taking the time to find the links. ..................
Well said Countess and some valid points as usual. Some stuff ro think about. But I stand by what I say because the Liberal party has a leaning towards serving greed as they always have. They look after their Amigos. They have to. Ok, my timing may be off slightly but the connection is there. And Labor has gone that way too. And the 2 unmentionables in that new unhealthy marriage .... Ha! they don't serve anyone except for their own nastiness.
The point I was making and you've picked up on it is that if we were in a fair and just world and pollys were doing what they were elected to do and served the common everyday man and woman, we wouldn't see GST and probably would not even know what it is.
Cheers
on โ11-03-2019 07:54 PM
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