Suicide

[martinw-48]

Why is it so bad?
Is it just that misery loves company.
That no one should have an easy out.
That you must suffer with the rest of us.
I actually benifited from suicide.
If my father hadn't killed himself I'd have had to kill him.
I couldn't live any longer under his control.
What is it with people that you must suffer from the same things that they hate.
I have been whinged at for years for not having gotten married and having children.
Even by total strangers.
The exception is that some men tell me that I'm extremely smart.
That they wished that they'd never married and they can be either still married or divorced.
I actually understand why people kill themselves.
Why constantly suffer just because someone else who hasn't ever been able to make your life better get to keep you suffering.
They always claim that they could of helped but how do they really know.
It could be that those who claim that they could have helped make the departed life better were the very one's that the departed wanted to get away from.

[kopenhagen5]

I just bought my first pair of thongs.

I'm tired of wearing socks n shoes in hot weather.

Besides I was used to being in bare feet every summer sailing or windsurfing.

Don't get to the beach often these days so flip flops might be the go.

P.S. Martin, may be able to help you some specs if you want ?

[martinw-48]

kopenhagen, I'm interested.
How would that work.
I'd have to get my eyes tested?

[kopenhagen5]

I could send you a voucher for spec savers.

I started a small charity 20 years ago specifically to assist those that need necessities they can't afford.

Send me a PM if you feel this could help. Cheers. 

[imastawka]

Martin, eye tests are free

Also, you can get magnified glasses for close work at the chemists. for about $10

They have different strengths.  You can try them out.

But get Kopes' coupon if that's a better idea.

[janeababe]

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@martinw-48 wrote:
Why is it so bad?
Is it just that misery loves company.
That no one should have an easy out.
That you must suffer with the rest of us.
I actually benifited from suicide.
If my father hadn't killed himself I'd have had to kill him.
I couldn't live any longer under his control.
What is it with people that you must suffer from the same things that they hate.
I have been whinged at for years for not having gotten married and having children.
Even by total strangers.
The exception is that some men tell me that I'm extremely smart.
That they wished that they'd never married and they can be either still married or divorced.
I actually understand why people kill themselves.
Why constantly suffer just because someone else who hasn't ever been able to make your life better get to keep you suffering.
They always claim that they could of helped but how do they really know.
It could be that those who claim that they could have helped make the departed life better were the very one's that the departed wanted to get away from.

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Suicide does not fix the problem. It merely moves your profound grief, onto those who remain behind. They then carry this burden with them for the rest of their lives, that’s why society says that suicide is a selfish act.

I too, know what it’s like to have an uncaring, unloving, physically violent and abusive mother! 

I also know what it’s like to be so depressed, that suicide is an optional thought! I’ve planned my suicide approximately  3 times in my life time, and I was only 14 the first time. August this year, was the last time! I’m now, 52. (Just quietly, this has been the worst year I’ve ever lived through..... it was tough and I truly truly struggled with it) 

What stops me is that I know too well, first hand, what the long lasting outcome is.... I’m also living that outcome! 

I have worked very very hard to NOT be my mother! I work very hard to stay focused on life and move forward, even if it is slowly, forward is still forward.

I’ve spent my entire career, helping others, and now I teach others. 

But there’s absolutely no point in complaining  about your own life if you are not prepared to help yourself! If you can’t help yourself, then be prepared to seek help from others. If you don’t find what you’re  after, then keep looking until you do find it, because there is always someone who knows how you feel, who can relate and there is always someone who understands without judgement! For me, I broke down and confided in my Aunty, seeked her help. She saved me, THANK GOD. 

Strength does not come from what we battle, it comes from what we survive!  I refuse to be a victim! I just refuse. 

Im a survivor! And I bloody intend to stay that way for a long time yet! 

Suicide is vastly different to euthanasia though..... as it currently stands, legally. Only the terminally ill can access legal euthanasia laws. 

Assisted suicide is illegal too..... and I’m not sure it should be. But it certainly needs to be monitored for legal reasons. Otherwise I could easily assist my mother to suicide...accidentally on purpose! 😡

....... But that’s a different convo for another time. 

I don’t usually reveal too much about myself, but mental health issues should be talked about openly. How can others get help, if it’s taboo to talk about it? 

Keep talking about it! ❤️❤️

[martinw-48]

stawka, yes I know.
Well I have to pay ten dollars for my diabetic eye test but I think that's different.
I was asking in regards to how we would know what I need but it's a voucher so they'll do the test there

[martinw-48]

janeababe, I agree with some of what you said but not with most of it.
If I was to take my life it doesn't automatically mean that my sister would suddenly have her wages stolen and her superannuation unpaid.
She wouldn't suddenly lose her job and only get occasionally employed as a casual.
She has never been unemployed.
In fact her life will never become like mine and has been exactly the opposite of mine.
She never suffered any violence.
She lives in a million dollar house.
She has never gone without a meal because she didn't have the money.
She's never had to ask for charity to eat.

[kopenhagen5]

Glad to help. 

I'll post a voucher next I'm in the shopping centre.

Merry Christmas Martin and to everyone in CS. 

Jane, hope you are having a great time and not too cold. Although a white christmas would be nice. 

[lyhargr_0]

Very generous offer Kopes 🙂

Martin eye tests aren't free, unless the optometrist will bulk bill, which most of them dont these days   .... I think the medicare gap is around $18 or so. 

I hope you are seeing a little  the brighter side of life today 🙂   There are about a billion Corellas squawking in the trees behind me atm, looks like they are back in town 

[springyzone]

I thought Jane's post was inspiring, myself. Spot on.

It's true that if something happened to you, Martin, that the externals of your sister's life may not change, her life history would not change, but that doesn't mean she cannot feel grief.

What janeababe was basically saying though was no one has to be an island, coping all on their own. In fact, most progress in society seems to come when people do the opposite and help each other or work together. It may be that your mother & sister won't even be the best ones to help.

Jane said:

If you can’t help yourself, then be prepared to seek help from others. If you don’t find what you’re after, then keep looking until you do find it, because there is always someone who knows how you feel, who can relate and there is always someone who understands without judgement!

What i have found is everyone has a story, Martin. Everyone. Half the people you pass in the shops have probably got griefs and worries you don't know about. There will be some others out there who will understand and who will help. Be prepared to ask for help.

Wishing some joy to both you & Jane.