on โ17-02-2015 07:36 PM
The Death Penalty, as a deterrent.
As there seems to be widely differing views on this subject it may be an idea to discuss it here instead of in the other thread involving real people..
Are you in favour of the Death Penalty or do you oppose it.
If you are in favour , in which circumstances should it be imposed.
If you are not in favour, are there any exceptions to your opposition?
on โ18-02-2015 01:34 AM
I am curious why people think DNA evidence 100% proves guilt. Surely if you wanted to frame someone, it would be pretty easy to plant their DNA at a crime scene?
on โ18-02-2015 03:26 AM
i assume you are talking about drug related offenders?!
some addicts learn to recover from their addictions and then want to actually abide by the laws
I am, if the crime was committed while under the influence of drugs. But those folks in Texas (and other Southern states) who get life simply for having drugs in their possession is way over the top.
on โ18-02-2015 05:48 AM
@this-one-time-at-bandcamp wrote:i assume you are talking about drug related offenders?!
some addicts learn to recover from their addictions and then want to actually abide by the laws
I am, if the crime was committed while under the influence of drugs. But those folks in Texas (and other Southern states) who get life simply for having drugs in their possession is way over the top.
I believe the law for first time drug offenders in Texas changed about a dozen or so years ago. First time drug possession/users are now given a break.
This 'break' does not apply to drug dealers, who possess and sell drugs in large quantities.
Drug dealers aren't awfully fond of the State of Texas; neither are murderers. We like it that way. ๐
on โ18-02-2015 06:45 AM
do you mean this type of death penalty?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam
The definition and appropriate punishment for apostasy in Islam is controversial, and it varies among Islamic scholars.
In Islamโs history, the vast majority of scholars have held that apostasy in Islam is a crime punishable with the death penalty, typically after a waiting period to allow the apostate time to repent and return to Islam
Apostasy in Islam includes in its scope not only former Muslims who have renounced Islam to join another religion or become non-religious, but Muslims who have questioned or denied any "fundamental tenet or creed" of Islam such as Sharia law, or who have mocked Allah, worshipped one or more idols, or knowingly believed in an interpretation of Sharia that is contrary to the consensus of ummah (Islamic community).
The term has also been used for people of religions that trace their origins to Islam, such as Bahรก'รญs in Iran, and Ahmadiyya Muslims in Pakistan and Indonesia.
According to critics, punishment for apostasy in Islam is a violation of universal human rights, and an issue of freedom of faith and conscience
or this type of death penalty?
http://www.wsj.com/articles/egyptian-court-sentences-183-people-to-death-1422877602
The ruling comes amid continued international criticism of Egyptโs use of mass trials to prosecute hundreds of people on similar charges.
It also occurs a day after authorities deported Peter Greste, an Australian journalist for the Al Jazeera news network who served 400 days of a 7-year sentence for reports the government deemed harmful to the countryโs national security.
Mondayโs court ruling stems from the convictions in December of 188 people for murder during antigovernment protests in August in the town of Kerdasa, near Cairo.
The protests erupted after police cracked down on two protest camps in the capital, leaving some 1,000 members of the Brotherhood and their supporters dead.
In its decision Monday, the court also acquitted two people and sentenced a third, a minor, to 10 years in prison. The convictions of two others were vacated because they had died.
death penalties for defenceless baby killers..... I say........ off with their head..... how about you ???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Azaria_Chamberlain
Lindy Chamberlain was tried for murder, convicted on 29 October 1982 and sentenced to life imprisonment. Azaria's father, Michael Chamberlain, was convicted as an accessory after the fact and given a suspended sentence.
The media focus for the trial was unusually intense and aroused accusations of sensationalism, while the trial itself was criticised for being unprofessional and biased.
http://listverse.com/2013/03/27/10-people-who-were-wrongfully-accused-of-heinous-crimes/
In June 1982, forty-nine gold bars were stolen from the Perth Mint in Western Australia, at an estimated worth of more than two million dollars in todayโs money. Police quickly suspected three brothersโRay, Peter, and Brian Mickelbergโof the crime, and they were quickly found guilty and sentenced to a long period in prison.
As you can probably guess, they didnโt do it.
The Perth Mint Swindle, at it is commonly known, remains unsolved to this dayโbut the Mickelbergs werenโt cleared of all charges until 2004.
The brothers have repeatedly stated that police framed them from the start. Brian was released after less than two years but died in a plane crash soon afterwards, while Ray and Peter served eight and six years in jail, respectively.
In 2002, a police officer who had working on the case admitted to having fabricated evidence, and also beating Brian while he was in custody.
on โ18-02-2015 07:11 AM
Hallejulah...and may your God go with you
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php%3Fdid%3D2249
http://www.sbc.net/resolutions/299
WHEREAS, The Bible teaches that every human life has sacred value (Genesis 1:27) and forbids the taking of innocent human life (Exodus 20:13); and
WHEREAS, God has vested in the civil magistrate the responsibility of protecting the innocent and punishing the guilty (Romans 13:1๏ท3); and
WHEREAS, We recognize that fallen human nature has made impossible a perfect judicial system; and
WHEREAS, God authorized capital punishment for murder after the Noahic Flood, validating its legitimacy in human society (Genesis 9:6); and
WHEREAS, God forbids personal revenge (Romans 12:19) and has established capital punishment as a just and appropriate means by which the civil magistrate may punish those guilty of capital crimes (Romans 13:4); and
WHEREAS, God requires proof of guilt before any punishment is administered (Deuteronomy 19:15๏ท19); and
WHEREAS, God's instructions require a civil magistrate to judge all people equally under the law, regardless of class or status (Leviticus 19:15; Deuteronomy 1:17); and
WHEREAS, All people, including those guilty of capital crimes, are created in the image of God and should be treated with dignity (Genesis 1:27).
Therefore, be it RESOLVED, That the messengers to the Southern Baptist Convention, meeting in Orlando, Florida, June 13๏ท14, 2000, support the fair and equitable use of capital punishment by civil magistrates as a legitimate form of punishment for those guilty of murder or treasonous acts that result in death; and
Be it further RESOLVED, That we urge that capital punishment be administered only when the pursuit of truth and justice result in clear and overwhelming evidence of guilt; and
Be it further RESOLVED, That because of our deep reverence for human life, our profound respect for the rights of individuals, and our respect for the law, we call for vigilance, justice, and equity in the criminal justice system; and
Be it further RESOLVED, That we urge that capital punishment be applied as justly and as fairly as possible without undue delay, without reference to the race, class, or status of the guilty; and
Be it further RESOLVED, That we call on civil magistrates to use humane means in administering capital punishment; and
Be it finally RESOLVED, That we commit ourselves to love, to pray for, and to minister the gospel to victims and perpetrators of crimes, realizing that only in Christ is there forgiveness of sin, reconciliation, emotional and spiritual healing, and the gift of eternal life.
on โ18-02-2015 07:23 AM
good ole Ronald Ryan.... February 1967 was a LIFETIME ago for some
on โ18-02-2015 07:27 AM
@poddster wrote:Pepe, unless they are capable of changing their mind they are intransigent and will stand by their belief no matter what,. that is what i said.
I accept that and no where did say that I did not accept it.
I also accept that people people may have a differing viewpoint, that is their choice entirely.
However there are some who have not thought through deeply enough about their intransigent viewpoint.
Can you then explain to us why you suggested only to people who have expressed oposition to the death penalty, that they may change their mind later in the thread? There have been some equally emphatic statements in support of lethal deterrent.
on โ18-02-2015 08:04 AM
The human condition is equipped to change. Humans are capable of redemtion and atonement and that's the way we are.
I am totally against State sanctioned murder. State sanctioned murder doesn't achieve anything, doesn't stop humans from committing crimes, that's the way we are.
on โ18-02-2015 09:03 AM
Lurks, the people for it may change their opinion later on in the thread as well.
on โ18-02-2015 09:11 AM
Idle, believing and adhering to any ideology, belief, loyalty or love on an unconditional basis unwise. no doubt that you and most people have seen evidence of that.