The Death Penalty, as a deterrent

The Death Penalty, as a deterrent.

 

As there seems to be widely differing views on this subject it may be an idea to discuss it here instead of in the other thread involving real people..

 

Are you in favour of the Death Penalty or do you oppose it.

 

If you are in favour , in which circumstances should it be imposed.

 

If you are not in favour, are there any exceptions to your opposition?

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I am curious why people think DNA evidence 100% proves guilt.  Surely if you wanted to frame someone, it would be pretty easy to plant their DNA at a crime scene? 

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i assume you are talking about drug related offenders?!

 

some addicts learn to recover from their addictions and then want to actually abide by the laws

 

I am, if the crime was committed while under the influence of drugs.  But those folks in Texas (and other Southern states)  who get life simply for having drugs in their possession is way over the top.

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@this-one-time-at-bandcamp wrote:

i assume you are talking about drug related offenders?!

 

some addicts learn to recover from their addictions and then want to actually abide by the laws

 

I am, if the crime was committed while under the influence of drugs.  But those folks in Texas (and other Southern states)  who get life simply for having drugs in their possession is way over the top.


I believe the law for first time drug offenders in Texas changed about a dozen or so years ago.  First time drug possession/users are now given a break. 

 

This 'break' does not apply to drug dealers, who possess and sell drugs in large quantities. 

 

Drug dealers aren't awfully fond of the State of Texas; neither are murderers.  We like it that way. ๐Ÿ™‚

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do you mean this type of death penalty?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam

 

The definition and appropriate punishment for apostasy in Islam is controversial, and it varies among Islamic scholars.

 

 

In Islamโ€™s history, the vast majority of scholars have held that apostasy in Islam is a crime punishable with the death penalty, typically after a waiting period to allow the apostate time to repent and return to Islam

 

Apostasy in Islam includes in its scope not only former Muslims who have renounced Islam to join another religion or become non-religious, but Muslims who have questioned or denied any "fundamental tenet or creed" of Islam such as Sharia law, or who have mocked Allah, worshipped one or more idols, or knowingly believed in an interpretation of Sharia that is contrary to the consensus of ummah (Islamic community).

 

 

The term has also been used for people of religions that trace their origins to Islam, such as Bahรก'รญs in Iran, and Ahmadiyya Muslims in Pakistan and Indonesia.

 

According to critics, punishment for apostasy in Islam is a violation of universal human rights, and an issue of freedom of faith and conscience

 

or this type of death penalty?

 

http://www.wsj.com/articles/egyptian-court-sentences-183-people-to-death-1422877602

 

The ruling comes amid continued international criticism of Egyptโ€™s use of mass trials to prosecute hundreds of people on similar charges.

 

It also occurs a day after authorities deported Peter Greste, an Australian journalist for the Al Jazeera news network who served 400 days of a 7-year sentence for reports the government deemed harmful to the countryโ€™s national security.

 

 

Mondayโ€™s court ruling stems from the convictions in December of 188 people for murder during antigovernment protests in August in the town of Kerdasa, near Cairo.

 

The protests erupted after police cracked down on two protest camps in the capital, leaving some 1,000 members of the Brotherhood and their supporters dead.

 

 

In its decision Monday, the court also acquitted two people and sentenced a third, a minor, to 10 years in prison. The convictions of two others were vacated because they had died.

 

death penalties for defenceless baby killers..... I say........ off with their head..... how about you ???  Man Frustrated

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Azaria_Chamberlain

 

Lindy Chamberlain was tried for murder, convicted on 29 October 1982 and sentenced to life imprisonment. Azaria's father, Michael Chamberlain, was convicted as an accessory after the fact and given a suspended sentence.

 

The media focus for the trial was unusually intense and aroused accusations of sensationalism, while the trial itself was criticised for being unprofessional and biased.

 

http://listverse.com/2013/03/27/10-people-who-were-wrongfully-accused-of-heinous-crimes/

 

In June 1982, forty-nine gold bars were stolen from the Perth Mint in Western Australia, at an estimated worth of more than two million dollars in todayโ€™s money. Police quickly suspected three brothersโ€”Ray, Peter, and Brian Mickelbergโ€”of the crime, and they were quickly found guilty and sentenced to a long period in prison.

 

 

As you can probably guess, they didnโ€™t do it.

 

 

The Perth Mint Swindle, at it is commonly known, remains unsolved to this dayโ€”but the Mickelbergs werenโ€™t cleared of all charges until 2004.

 

 

The brothers have repeatedly stated that police framed them from the start. Brian was released after less than two years but died in a plane crash soon afterwards, while Ray and Peter served eight and six years in jail, respectively.

 

 

In 2002, a police officer who had working on the case admitted to having fabricated evidence, and also beating Brian while he was in custody.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hallejulah...and may your God go with you

 

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php%3Fdid%3D2249

 

 

http://www.sbc.net/resolutions/299

 

 

WHEREAS, The Bible teaches that every human life has sacred value (Genesis 1:27) and forbids the taking of innocent human life (Exodus 20:13); and

WHEREAS, God has vested in the civil magistrate the responsibility of protecting the innocent and punishing the guilty (Romans 13:1๏ท“3); and

WHEREAS, We recognize that fallen human nature has made impossible a perfect judicial system; and

WHEREAS, God authorized capital punishment for murder after the Noahic Flood, validating its legitimacy in human society (Genesis 9:6); and

WHEREAS, God forbids personal revenge (Romans 12:19) and has established capital punishment as a just and appropriate means by which the civil magistrate may punish those guilty of capital crimes (Romans 13:4); and

WHEREAS, God requires proof of guilt before any punishment is administered (Deuteronomy 19:15๏ท“19); and

WHEREAS, God's instructions require a civil magistrate to judge all people equally under the law, regardless of class or status (Leviticus 19:15; Deuteronomy 1:17); and

WHEREAS, All people, including those guilty of capital crimes, are created in the image of God and should be treated with dignity (Genesis 1:27).

Therefore, be it RESOLVED, That the messengers to the Southern Baptist Convention, meeting in Orlando, Florida, June 13๏ท“14, 2000, support the fair and equitable use of capital punishment by civil magistrates as a legitimate form of punishment for those guilty of murder or treasonous acts that result in death; and

Be it further RESOLVED, That we urge that capital punishment be administered only when the pursuit of truth and justice result in clear and overwhelming evidence of guilt; and

Be it further RESOLVED, That because of our deep reverence for human life, our profound respect for the rights of individuals, and our respect for the law, we call for vigilance, justice, and equity in the criminal justice system; and

Be it further RESOLVED, That we urge that capital punishment be applied as justly and as fairly as possible without undue delay, without reference to the race, class, or status of the guilty; and

Be it further RESOLVED, That we call on civil magistrates to use humane means in administering capital punishment; and

Be it finally RESOLVED, That we commit ourselves to love, to pray for, and to minister the gospel to victims and perpetrators of crimes, realizing that only in Christ is there forgiveness of sin, reconciliation, emotional and spiritual healing, and the gift of eternal life.

 

 

 

 

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good ole Ronald Ryan.... February 1967 was a LIFETIME ago for some

 

http://www.ronaldryan.info/

 

 

 

 
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Pepe, unless they are capable of changing their mind they are intransigent and will stand by their belief no matter what,. that is what i said.

 

I accept that and no where did say that I did not accept it.

I also accept that people people may have a differing viewpoint, that is their choice entirely.

 

However there are some who have not thought through deeply enough about their intransigent viewpoint.


Can you then explain to us why you suggested only to people who have expressed oposition to the death penalty, that they may change their mind later in the thread?  There have been some equally emphatic statements in support of lethal deterrent.

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The human condition is equipped to change. Humans are capable of redemtion and atonement and that's the way we are.

 

I am totally against State sanctioned murder. State sanctioned murder doesn't achieve anything, doesn't stop humans from committing crimes,  that's the way we are.

 

 

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Lurks, the people for it may change their opinion later on in the thread as well.

I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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Idle, believing and adhering to any ideology, belief, loyalty or love on an unconditional basis unwise. no doubt that you and most people have seen evidence of that.

I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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